Do you think the damage Fury and Wilder gave eachother substantially affected them as fighters?

I think Fury declined but not because of the fights with Wilder but due to the damage he does to himself with his poor lifestyle choices and the elbow injuries that were bothering him in the 3rd fight. Also mentally I don't think we ever saw him hit the focus he had for the first rematch again. He's a fighter than seems to thrive being the underdog but when he's on top the motivation is no longer the same.

Wilder, yeah after the 3rd fight he probably wasn't the same, not shot, but 3 losses to Fury combined with age will cause some erosion in skills and ability. But I doubt he would of beaten Parker or Zhang even in his prime. He was always protected and always had flaws that could be exploited. It's no surprise he started losing the moment he stepped up his opposition.

 

Yeah, but I don't create alternative scenarios in my head to feel better about my fighter losing, lol.

 

Wilder was definitely more affected, he took a bad beating twice. That said, I don't think any version of Wilder could win against Zhang or Parker. So it didn't matter in terms of how his resume panned out since the Fury trilogy, but Fury did batter him twice and that takes a toll on a fighter, no question.

With Fury, I think his erratic lifestyle was far more damaging to his body than any actual fights he had.

 

Both fighters declined after the trilogy there is no doubt about that,there is also the fact that Fury is also more hittable under Sugar’s tutelage as well as Fury not using his natural attributes to the best of his ability whilst favouring this so called Kronk style which Fury does not even have the power to pull it off ! Surely at some point Fury has to realise that Sugar and Kronk style are all wrong for him,Peter Fury did an interview and basically said the same thing I’ve posted here .

 

I was going to reply with this, but that guy is not worth my time, as he was cocky with his Aj prediction and he got obliterated, yet talks shyte like me picking Fury in May

 

I didn't say AJ in his prime would have obliterated Dubois tho, I'm not living in the fantasy world just to feel better like you are. We are not the same my guy.

 

It's obviously impossible to say. But I don't think it's unreasonable to argue those fights took SOMETHING out of both guys. Logically you could make that point about a lot of a boxer's pro fights, especially hard ones - the damage all adds up. So I think you could reasonably make the argument across a punishing trilogy.
However, I would argue it's not particularly clean cut in both cases here. Wilder really only stepped up to the top tier level a couple of times in his career, and lost them all (I know Fury 1 was a draw). And two of those were at the end of his career, so it's quite hard to say whether this was down to wear and tear, ageing or the fact he was never that good to begin with. As for Fury, we all know he doesn't live particularly cleanly. That will have a big impact. And, again, he tended to pick and choose his opponents (ie wasn't always operating at peak fitness inbetween big fights) although, in fairness, he did take more risks and operate at a higher level than Wilder.
So I would say it's impossible to know... But I would guess all of the above played a part.

 

Anybody that says that the two don’t have brain trauma from the 3 fights have never boxed before. Fury admitted that maybe they’ll start showing signs of it in the years to come, he said after the 3rd fight he couldn’t walk straight for a month so he knows what happened. Wilder looks much cognitively slower and his fights with Parker and Zhang just gave him more money and more brain damage.

Boxing is a serious thing and most fans don’t even know how dangerous it is because they never even sparred 1 round in their lives.

 

"I am asking as I just watched Jeff Mayweather on youtube make the comment that he they took too much damage and it ****ed them up."

That was the opening post. You tried to make this into "oh another excuse for Fury losing to Usyk" thread. It's not what the topic is about and is strictly referring to whether Fury and Wilder gave each other irreversible damage.

As usual you write condescending essays on something completely irrelevant like it proves your point. It doesn't, and it makes you look childish. You're basically lordlosh 2.0 with slightly better grammar.

Stay on topic and grow up.

 

That's not what this topic is about mate. Maybe read the OP?

 

Again, of course I am on topic and again, of course, you still haven’t addressed any of my relevant points or questions.

You really live for sweeping false narratives, don’t you?

The poster Lordlosh actually and obviously has nothing to do with this discussion but he clearly still lives rent free in your head.

Now I see you gave a “like” to an earlier post framed only to make a negative reference re that same poster, nothing otherwise - AS IF that post was on topic.

Don’t worry, your MO and associated BS has been identified and it doesn’t fly.

So you invoking the name of a banned poster, trying to make unsupported, derogatory comments re grammar and referring to posts as essays (a singular interpretation relative to your own gnat like attention span) isn’t puerile nor an attempt to be condescending?

So, it’s a fact that you DO try to talk smack (you’re unsuccessful in that realm also) but if you “think” you’ve received same in kind (and always better than you’ve tried to dish out) you cry poor and pretend you’ve maintained a higher road.

Embarrassing for you.

Talk about self contradiction, actually being childish, outright avoidance and making a fool out of yourself every time you post.

As to writing ability, lol, you’re in no position to judge anyone Twain but it’s understood that was just another one of your own “off topic” attempts to deflect and insult.

Good Lord (and I’m not referring to your apparent bogeyman, losh, btw), you play the role of an acutely hypersensitive Fury fan to the absolute hilt.

Among all else, you skipped the highlighted FACT that you initiated this current exchange.

On topic STILL and AGAIN, no you’re not getting off the hook - but you’ll no doubt sidestep and avoid as you always do -

- when it was previously highlighted that AJ went a full 24 rounds against Usyk in two full route fights VS Fury being stopped (for all intents and purposes) in just 9 rounds by Olek- you came up with the ridiculous claim that Usyk let AJ off the KO hook in fight 1.

A completely unsupported attempt based on a falsehood to defend Fury’s durability and punch resistance (as at the time of the Usyk fight)? as measured against that of AJ’s.

YOU initially went so far as to blindly claim that Olek stopped punching for the final 20 seconds of the first Joshua fight. Absolute BS.

You cut your claim down to the final 10 seconds. Still BS. Of course, you then bailed…

Try accepting the fact that Usyk stopped punching a mere and negligible 3 - 4 seconds before final bell, then you’d be correct.

But now you’re all in on Fury being irreparably damaged going into the Usyk fight???

Your problem actually IS with anyone who does remain on topic while duly critiquing the fighter you obviously favour - that always sees you completely jump out of gear and attempt to project your biases.

Suffice to say, I see you’ve again dusted off and tried on the old “Stay on topic” with another poster simply because their own relevant points don’t suit you. Woefully transparent.

To repeat, time for you to run along. All you’ve posted is hot air and it was you who initiated engagement with me - keep ignoring that FACT also.

 

Proving my point to a t as usual.

You need to learn to condense your replies if you want serious engagement, and drop the attitude.

Nobody wants to read a condescending essay from someone who's clearly too emotional to have a calm, rational discussion.

EDIT: Your post is 563 words 3,131 characters. Jesus...