Do you think the damage Fury and Wilder gave eachother substantially affected them as fighters?

Wow. That was dumb.

So you’re comparing (not me) the Ali of those fights - (and against much younger opposition) Ali who fought and defeated all and sundry prior to, copping all the damage and wear/tear that came with actually defending against the cream of the crop, and fighting on with a neurological disease, to whatever you think Fury’s current state is?

That’s a good one.

Try telling Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis that Evander was a shot duck after the Bowe trilogy.

 

No one has proven your point at all.

I don’t need to do anything.

I’m obviously not the one who is broke.

There is no emotional investment.

You were simply, calmly and clearly, surgically dissected.

Obviously for you, that type of serious and sound methodology smarts big time.

All you’ve come back with is pure hot air again, pivoting on your usual and deliberately false narratives.

You initiated engagement with me - it wasn’t me who was so needy to re-engage you.

It’s actually you who jumps off topic time and again - and as to your own ‘tude, well, I’ve already accurately profiled you based on the actual facts - suffice to say, your approach is woeful.

If your readership is lost, well, that’s just a drop in the ocean for me. Lawdy, how will I survive?

As to condensing replies - why would I? To accomodate your own limited comprehension?

Btw, you are aware of the BS Asymmetry Principle, right?

If not, READ up on it.

You really do needs to run along now….try not to be so needy.

 

Look, we get it.

That’s a minute and half for me but probably equates to a 10 hour read for you.

Your own reading rate isn’t something you really want to advertise or shout from the roof tops.

Run along….

 

It's astonishing how constructive feedback appears to hurts your ego. Are you that incapable of calm, rational debate?

 

Given that the fastest WPM is around 300, with the average WPM at 38-40, I'm gonna call cap on that.

I'll let you have your last word and I'll move on. I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

Fully agree here. All it takes is one punch to permanently change your life, it's a miracle there hasn't been more high profile permanent injuries especially at CW/HW.

 

Pay attention.

R-E-A-D-I-N-G rate. Oh, the irony.

Unless you really are only managing 38-40 WPM in that regard.

That would make reading anything a hell of a slog.

Obviously, I’m not the one anyone should be feeling sorry for.

My ego is realistically grounded, well
supported and very healthy.

Yours? Not looking too good, I’m afraid.

 

THIS.........AND ONLY THIS............

Fury was his own most dangerous opponent. His lifestyle was bound to catch up with him. Amazing it took as long as it did.

Wilder fought a bunch of individuals to pad his resume with wins.... He started getting exposed once talent fighters shared the ring with him. 40+ fights and the most dangerous opponent you ever faced before Fury was an old man name Ortiz......He was never elite.

 

Yup this isn't mentioned a lot, but Fury took a lot of damage in that fight, even though it was the one where he suffered the least. He even stated he had to overcome a lot to win that fight.

 

I agree. Gun to my head, Parker was hurt and dropped by the likes of Chisora, and Whyte. Wilder's right hand also seems to lack the power it once had. Those fast twitch fibers just aren't there at 38 anymore. Gun to my head, I'll take Wilder to KO Parker.

Not sure about Wilder-Zhang. Wilder would be a lot more active, and open up more which would lead to one of two things. He either overwhelms Zhang and gets a KO, or is countered brutally and knocked out. Gun to my head, I think you're right in that Zhang very well might've beaten any version of Wilder.

 

Yup and those fast twitch fibers which was the source of the power of that right, are now all but gone at 39.

 

Excellent post. I'm not sure how much the Wilder fights took out of Fury. He's still clearly the second best fighter in the world imo. What do you think about Wilder's decline otoh?

 

Cheers Swag

Wilder was very much on the short end in so far as receiving the greater punishment by far vs Fury.

Just as Bowe came off worse than Holyfield after their trilogy, and Bowe still had the extra damage of the Golota matches in his future - the first of which he came in woefully out of shape - so he has to own that himself.

Wilder has definitely declined but, tbh, his comp. over the last few years has been better than than those he was slaying beforehand. Just imo.

It’s a psychological issue also with Wilder being less inclined to engage and fire the right hand - but then his reluctance might now be justified to an extent since he appears that much more fragile now in terms of punch resistance.

Deontay did set Big Bang (who seems to be well
chinned) back on his heels with one of his patent right hands - but it was hardly enough in the total scheme of things.

Deontay is certainly one guy who I think should stop fighting right now. Joyce isn’t that far behind either.

Not nice to see them cop what they have in more recent times.

 

The thing mainly with Zhang is that chin seems iron and that power is real and he has it in both hands. But his most lethal hand, the punches come from an angle Wilder has no brainpower to be able to defend against. I think Zhang is just a bad fight for him. If you can't "outduel" Zhang I don't think you're gonna beat him. There are some guys that can....................Wilder ain't in the "outdueling" business.

 

Yes it obviously had is toll, but more so for Wilder then Fury.