If Beterbiev knocks out Bivol, is he the best light heavyweight of the 21st century?

Michael Spinks would still be rated higher than Beterbiev a win over Bivol doesn't change that.

Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Marvin Johnson, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad.

Bivol himself hasn't beaten any elite Light Heavyweights his best win is vs Canelo who's best weight is Super Middleweight. I mean realistically what is Bivol's best win over a fighter who's spent alot of his career at Light Heavyweight ? A 37 year old Jean Pascal ? I guess Ramirez win looks better in hindsight since he's moved up to Cruiserweight.

But overall Bivol's record is not that stellar when you think about it.

 

Do you have any logical reasons, why?

 

Do you have any logical reasons why not ?

Michael Spinks has wins over the likes of Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Marvin Johnson, Yaqui Lopez, etc. And he was competing in a strong Light Heavyweight era.

Beterbiev if he does beat Bivol his most notable wins would beat Bivol, Gvozdyk, C.Smith, Yarde, would that be enough to overtake Spinks ? I don't think so.

Spinks also had 10 title defences Beterbiev will have 9 if he beats Bivol.

 

Spinks in his prime, 31 years old, got KOed IN THE 1ST ROUND by a green Tyson, only 21 years old. Had Spinks been that good, he wouldn't let Tyson treat him like that.

Qawi has 11 losses in his 52 fights long career, basically he is a journeyman.
Eddie himself got 8 losses.

Beterbiev has 100% KO ratio, while Spinks has only 65%.

 

Probably, because I'm excluding a lot of name guys first of all. I don't consider them 21st century fighters even if they somewhat fought still and were active. As for Ward for example, he hit the peak then retired, there was no reign. Beterbiev by far IMO had the greatest reign.

This doesn't mean I think Beterbiev wins or loses against certain guys, but I think it's fairly clear he's probably already the greatest of the 21st century (so far), even without this win.

 

Spinks and Foster fought in the 20th century.

 

After this reply I'm not responding anymore to this it's quite apparent you have no clue what you are talking about and I'm not wasting my time.

A green Mike Tyson ? Are you having a laugh ? So a peak Mike Tyson who is widely considered one of the best H2H fighters of all time at Heavyweight who had multiple world title wins is green ? First time I've heard a peak Mike Tyson be considered green. I think everyone agrees Mike Tyson between 86-88 was Tyson at his absolute best.

I also don’t see what Spinks losing to Tyson at Heavyweight has anything to do with his Light Heavyweight standing ? considering Beterbiev has never even fought in Cruiserweight division let alone Heavyweight ? Beterbiev would be utterly crushed by a peak Tyson in a few rounds at Heavyweight.

"Qawi basically a journeyman" what an awful post you just read up on boxrec and have no clue what you're talking about and it shows. Qawi for 2 or 3 years was considered an absolute monster at Light Heavyweight he utterly dismantled Matthew Saad Muhammad who is a top 20 Light Heavyweight of all time. He also crushed other solid 10 top contenders and is considered one of the most skillful pressure fighters of all time. To suggest Qawi was a journeyman shows you have no knowledge on that era.

Yes Beterbiev has the 100 percent KO ratio but the fighters he has beaten so far are not as notable as fighters like Qawi, Johnson, E.Muhammad, who are rated far higher historically in the Light Heavyweight division than anyone Beterbiev has beaten.

 

You think Beterbiev does better against a 21 year old Tyson than Spinks?

 

@Dynamicpuncher Spinks is a boxer from 80s. Since then boxing, training styles, nutrition, fight tactics, even human genetics evolved. Boxers today is much better than boxers from 80s, because they're trained and fed better.

Had Beterbiev fought Spinks, he would massacre him. Accept this fact and find peace. Let it go.

 

I Agree 100% ,,especially the part where you said ,,"You have no clue what you're talking about ", That hit the nail on the head.

 

Calling your opinion as a "fact" is as silly as you calling Qawi a journeyman hence you have no idea what you're talking about as I said earlier.

So if the fighters today are so superior to the fighters of the 80s according to you let me ask you this then.

Heavyweights who are active now outside of Usyk who is a one off that is better than Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield.

Middleweights who are active now that is better than Michael Nunn, Marvin Hagler, Sumbu Kalambay.

Welterweights who are active now that is better than Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Roberto Duran.

Lightweights who are active now that is better than Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, Hector Camacho, Alexis Arguello

Featherweights who are active now that is better than Salvador Sanchez, Azumah Nelson, Jeff Fenech.

I await all these supposedly superior names according to you.

 

@Dynamicpuncher Canelo, Usyk, Povetkin, Wlad, Tank, Beterbiev, Bivol, Golovkin, Opetia, Briedis, Pirog, Fury, Inoue all massacre the names that you mentioned. They are trained better with better tactics, training styles, nutrition and equipment. Everything evolves with time. All knowledge base accumulates over time and expands.

 

Povetkin was on PEDs and was caught 3 times popping dirty how is he superior ? What's his best win ?

Fury ? gift vs MMA fighter, dropped vs Cruiserweight Cunningham, gift vs British level McDermott, dropped heavily by Pajkvic with 4 stoppages, floored 4 times by limited Wilder, went life and death vs Wallin. He would destroy Larry Holmes ? Mike Tyson ? Evander Holyfield ? Are you ok my guy ?

Pirog is not from this era he retired in 2012 so I'm not sure why you are bringing him up his career was also too short to have a real opinion him and why would he destroy Marvin Hagler ? Based on what exactly ?

Ward ? The billy goat who got a gift vs Kovalev and then low blowed him in the rematch then retired avoiding dangerous opponents ? That's your pick for being a superior fighter ?

Tank would destroy Pernell Whitaker ? Julio Cesar Chavez ? Alexis Arguello ? Again are you ok my guy ? Tank hasn't even remotely fought anyone close to the level of any of those opponents.

Who is Breidis destroying ?

Canelo is the king of gift decisions that's all he's superior in.

Golovkin was in a fairly forgettable Middleweight era and arguably lost to Daniel Jacobs, Sergey Derevyanchenko, why would he destroy former Middleweight greats ?

Wladimir would have a troubling style for alot of Heavyweights but he also had a very weak chin and was stopped twice brutally by two unremarkable opponents Brewster, Sanders.

Inoue has never fought at Featherweight and has never fought a great fighter in their prime his best win is an aging Donaire who had already lost multiple times convincingly.

Opetai best win is vs an aging Breidis his career has barely even started yet and you're already saying he's superior to former great fighters ? What kind of logic is that ?

 

@Dynamicpuncher wow, you destroyed all these champions in a single post. Look, Beterbiex is better than Spinks. Go watch Spinks' fights, he has a awkward stance, he fights like a cab driver.

 

No I destroyed your silly posts because you have no idea what you're talking about as evident by you calling Qawi a journeyman and then saying Spinks fights like cab driver ?

Just absolute moronic statements from you and anyone with any type of boxing knowledge can see that.

Thats me done with this pointless conversation.