Dmitrii Yurievich Bivol vs. Artur Asilbekovich Beterbiev & Jai Opetaia vs. Jack Massey RBR.

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  1. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  2. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    God what a trashy clout chasing woman.
     
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  3. SpeedKills

    SpeedKills Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He doesn’t “throw a lot more” though. He averages what most do. Which is around 600 punches. Bivol’s average also. But on deciding to minimise risk vs Beterbiev he lowered his own output.
     
  4. Banana-Rama

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    Round 10 is Beterbiev's round for me, Bivol tried to steal it with that flurry in the last minute, but not enough.
     
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  5. Jacko

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    I disagree.

    Your first example:

    if boxer X throws 100 punches and boxer Y throws 50, but they both land 20 punches, then
    1. Y may conceivably have better defence, or X is very inaccurate, let's assume it was defence.
    2. X wins the round due to activity, Y does not win it from defence, even if Y has Sweet Pea level dodging abilit.

    Defence is one of the four scoring criterias in boxing. You are completely ignoring this. Also, activity / aggression scores you nothing in a round. It's effective aggression that counts.
     
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  6. FrankinDallas

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    I love them trashy broads. I bet she screams and thrashes around in bed. She's my kind of gal.
     
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  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This decision must be sweet justice to her.
     
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  8. FrankinDallas

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    How did you get that 70% figure? How did ypu calculate it? Beterbiev at no time before or especial after the fight said his knee was bothering him. He wasn't wearing a knee brace, a tell tale clue that is was fine. There wasn't a single event that indicated he was not 100%. No knee buckling. No slowing down at any point. Was just as energetic at the end of the fight as in the beginning; in fact nearly everyone scored the final 2 rounds for Artur.
     
  9. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He said it himself.

    He always had stamina, I am talking about his movement and his reaction.


    Beterbiev that finished Callum Smith and this Beterbiev is two different versions.
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It was a really hard round to score, Beterbiev pretty much landed **** all, he chased him around the ring and smacked his gloves. But he was definitely the ring general. Whereas Bivol landed two ultra clean flurries. Either man has an argument that they won it.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I decided to rewatch it, a few rounds shifted, but my score got wider for Bivol. Beterbiev applied a ton of pressure in the 4th round, but all of the meaningful punches were landed by Bivol. Round 7 I watched three times, it really is a hell of a scoring conundrum, but Bivol's early work was a hell of a lot more clear than the ineffective flurrying to the arms late. Optics really did color people's perceptions of this match, and I'll agree Bivol's passivity and lack of output really made him look bad at times. But it's equally hard to want to hand rounds to Beterbiev who showed little to no creativity, in trying to open up his intended targets and was more than content to simply chase and speedbag gloves all night. So who do you give the rounds to? Passive but accurate fighter or the wildly inaccurate perplexed volume puncher?


    Round 1 Bivol 10-9
    Round 2 Bivol 10-9
    Round 3 Bivol 10-9
    Round 4 Bivol 10-9, close
    Round 5 Beterbiev 10-9
    Round 6 Bivol 10-9
    Round 7 Bivol 10-9, close
    Round 8 Bivol 10-9
    Round 9 Bivol 10-9
    Round 10 Beterbiev 10-9, very close
    Round 11 Beterbiev 10-9
    Round 12 Beterbiev 10-9, close

    116-112 Bivol
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    This was my scoring live, I'm going to caveat it with I was so excited just watching the fight and seeing these two legends face off I was far too hyped to give any kinda credence to my card (I felt like this during Fury v Usyk as well actually) so I have no intention of defending it, since I haven't rewatched the fight yet, I don't know if I ever will as I feel there's something pure about just scoring a fight once and sticking with it and as I've aged I've felt much less need to defend a specific score and I much more appreciate there's a range of acceptable scores. I'll indicate the rounds I was unsure about scoring:

    Beterbiev Vs Bivol
    1: 9-10
    2: 10-9 (close)
    3: 10-9 (close)
    4: 9-10
    5: 10-9
    6: 10-9 (close)
    7: 10-9 (close)
    8: 9-10
    9: 9-10
    10: 10-9
    11: 10-9
    12: 10-9

    116-112 live scoring.
     
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  13. Power_tek

    Power_tek Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don’t care at all, I’m just happy that we will never hear the comparisons with him and Naz ever again. He was only able to showboat (embarrassingly) because he was getting mismatched in the most favourable way, and it is worth mentioning that it was the hype of the American fans (generally) that brought him to the attention of the world and multiplied his social media presence. But not many real boxing fans were impressed, American or otherwise.
    I’m not saying anything about the fain injury situation as to why he is a fraud, it was the performance against the level of the opposition that showed.
    I suspect he was aware of this hence the conclusion of the fight.
    He may have some talent (I dont think so) but if you are behaving like that in the ring, then you are not likely to have the disciplined mentality to make it to the top.
     
  14. cuchulain

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    Your post has me daydreaming, Frank, about a threesome with that psycho-babe and...let's see...Ms Sawai.

    There would be quite a contrast in styles and technique, somewhat akin to the Bivol-Beterbiev fight.

    One of them would come at me with power and energy, throwing herself hard into the game, like riding a bull at the rodeo.

    This intense bout of drpravity would be alternated with the slower, more precise moves of a lady trained in the fine, subtle arts of carnal stimulation, of prolonging the anticipation.

    I think they would complement each other nicely.

    Afterwards, I would probably vacillate as much on which of them I found more satisfying, as I did on Saturday night trying to score close rounds.

    And just as with Saturday night, I might be forced to conclude that in order to make a valid judgment, I would need a 'rematch.'
     
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  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Can somebody translate ?
     
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