why was ggg so scared to move up/down a weight class

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  1. Thunderstorm

    Thunderstorm Active Member Full Member

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    ggg said he was down to fight anyone from 154-168 but he never did
    why was he so scared to challenge himself ?
     
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  2. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He could whoop anybody from 154lbs to 168lbs but he was a natural middleweight.
     
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  3. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IIRC it was Abel Sanchez and others that mentioned GGG beating folks up to 175, NOT Gennady himself.

    Whether he should or shouldn't have is up to others to determine, but I feel the modern game puts too much emphasis on division-hopping as 'Daring to be Great', when in many cases it's calculated belt-grabs for A-sides to enhance their legacy, rather than try and clean out a division. Whilst I know that 168 didn't exist then, no one castigates Hagler for not trying to move to 175 - on the contrary, much of his legacy comes from his titanic encounters with smaller ATG fighters coming up...

    My perception and recollection was that GGG was always trying to get undisputed @160lb, but politics, ducking and the like got in his way, and then when he finally managed to get Canelo in the ring a 160lb, vegas corruption killed that dream dead.

    His legacy would have been viewed much differently if he had been correctly given the decision against Canelo and went on to get Undisputed.

    One thing that I can't fathom is why Canelo didn't clean up 160 first before moving to 168? Getting undisputed at 160 THEN 168 would have been a sick achievement regardless of how it came about.
     
  4. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Making good money and creating a legacy fighting bums in a weak division
     
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  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    This. Although I do think Canelo ducked him in his prime. But with that said, he was crushing absolute cans. And the hype on this forum and in the boxing community at large was outrageous. Dude was crushing cans. And people like Kellerman were saying he was the greatest show in sports. For busting cans!

    Ironic thing is that in 2019 Artur Beterbiev KOed a prime Gvozdyk in a unification match and then absolutely nobody cared. The hype that GGG got should have gone to Artur.
     
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  6. kingcracker

    kingcracker Member Full Member

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    He fought at middleweight because he was a middleweight. He weighed about 170 lbs. It's really that simple
     
  7. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Why are you assuming he was scared? He had a great run and will go down as a great within his weight class……. Worth mentioning he fought several very dangerous punchers that scared fighters probably wouldn’t have fought..
     
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  8. LenHarvey

    LenHarvey Active Member Full Member

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    I don't think he was scared, I think he was just a natural MW & thats where his body felt it needed to be.. what's wrong with that? Go to SMW & what? Dick about with billy goat Ward who does more hugging & stacking the deck than Klitschko... & no one cares about 154.. there are many fights that escaped prime Golovkin.. Pirog, Cotto, Martinez etc.. this one is used a lot of the times as to why he should have left MW.. but theres no guarantees Froch or Ward would have fought him either..
     
  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Cotto was washed at that point and was smashed to bits by a blown up Featherweight. Absolutely thrashed in his prime by a tiny 5'4" Asian dude. What did GGG have to gain by crushing Cotto?
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    His career average fight night weight was a very consistent 170 and he only ever weighed above 160 four times IIRC. One was his last fight and that was up at 168 against Clenelo. The other was a catchweight fight against Rolls at 163 or 164. And the other two times were non title fights early on in his career when he didn't have to make weight and he still only weighed 0.5lbs and 1lb respectively above the NW limit

    He was coming in at the same weight a lot of LMWs come in at. Clenelo was coming in at 172-174 down at 154-155 way back long before he finally summoned the courage to step out of the coop to fight GGG

    Haney weighed 165 for his 140 debut which is just 5lbs less than GGG's career average weight and just 2 and 3lbs less than what GGG weighed against Rosado and Proksa. Let that sink in

    Let's not forget he was a road warrior par excellence who fought all over the world and in his opponent's backyards many many times and it would've been considerably more had many others not shamelessly ducked him. This is something many others would not do or point blank refused to do, including supposed 'greats' he supposedly ''ducked''
     
  11. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe it's a clue he actually wasn't a roider.
    154 was only for Mayweather, that was clear. Mayweather wouldn't fight.
    168 was really for Ward and (old) Froch. It's not clear exactly what happened there. It's likely at least one of these two didn't want the fight. People like to rewrite things now but at the time GGG was like Beterbiev in terms of the fear around fighting him.

    You're actually a fool boxing above your weight class, especially when you already aren't huge in your own class. You'll end up like Loma, losing to clowns like Lopez and Haney, then having everyone diminish your record. Nobody cares about 'challenging yourself' in the end.

    Lots of them only move up around that weight because they're massive drainers or can't make the weight, it's not because they decided to challenge themselves after watching a TEDtalk. For example, Callum Smith, Badou jack, even Ward, were very big SMWs and that's why they went to 175. When Groves, [who was a big smw, heavier than Froch] is saying Jack was huge, that says it all. Jacobs was a huge MW. Others moved up because they were fat and lazy, like Saunders. Kovalev moved to cruiser because he couldn't make 175.
     
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  12. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    False,
    He lost to canelo in the rubber match pretty soundly at 168lbs
     
  13. theXshape

    theXshape Active Member Full Member

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    GGG was busting cans also because he was avoided by the top names and there is no denying that. But you know what he also did ? He was ACTIVE and that's the golden ticket. If you forget his first 2 pro years, Beterbiev fought 1.4x a year since 2015. He is not marketing himself, he's kinda boring and he doesn't keep momentum at all. After he won vs Gvozdyk, he disappeared for a 1 1/2 year. He is prone to injuries and fight gets canceled or postponed, and because he's muslim he doesn't fight during ramadan, so that's another chunk of year he takes off.
     
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  14. ad4m88

    ad4m88 Active Member Full Member

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    I think all he wanted was the canelo fight so he just stayed at middleweight and waited till he got the shot
     
  15. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I cannot imagine a "scared" GGG. Does not compute.
     
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