Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Context is important. He was never the same after bulking up and then losing a considerable amount of muscle after the Ruiz fight.

 

there's always an excuse with this superman.. if he was as great as you all made out then coming back to his natural weight is something that would have been more than feasible for him.. Jones simply didn't have the attribute of longevity in him.. Jones hid a glass jaw behind his athleticism his entire career and as that naturally declined with age he got found.. he didn't have longevity and he didn't have Punch resistance.. boxing isn't just about having great athleticism.. there are other attributes that some fighters have that Roy Jones just doesn't.. he was a great fighter, but his resume at 175 isnt.. & another thing he lacked was the will to want to fight the best in his division.. DM for instance.. Beterbiev has supassed Jones at LHW for me now.. hes cleaned it out & not got ironed out unlike Roy

 

This.

 

I'd still say RJJ has a better resume than Bivol.

 

Glass Jaw Roy isn't being either of them. He likely gets brutally KOed like he did against feather fisted Glen Johnson. You musta forgot Roy has one of the worst China Chins out there.

 

DM had already beaten Hill before Roy which made Roy's fight and win pretty much meaningless at that point.

 

Bivol and Beterviev didnt live up to the hype. Simple as. Their performance in THE epic battle of their lives didnt show me much. They DIDNT leave it all in the ring like Ali and Fraiser did. DIDNT get up 3 times to fight a top 20 ATG to a draw like JMM did. Didn't KO2 the shining acheivement of Soviet Sports Chemistry and Breeding at the very apex of Soviet might in 1968 like 19 y/o George Forrman did.

Light heavy is a weak division, currently. I might be convinced to take Morell over them all rn.

 

I don't know who's idiot enough to put his money against prime Roy Jones, tbh.

They only thing I can tell you is that I'm not that idiot. That's all.

 

Not sure you could call Hopkins, Toney part timers. Or even Woods, Hall, Hill, Ruiz etc. You will happily laud Calzaghe as a superior fighter. Yet he is far more guilty of record padding against lowly ranked opposition than Jones.

 

I fear we aren't going to agree here - see my earlier posts on this thread. But I am always happy to have a respectful discussion.
While I am a big supporter of Jones I agree he did not have longevity, certainly compared to some. However, every fighter is different. Joe Frazier for example was done at 34. Naseem Hamed at 27 etc etc. Not every boxer is the same age, relative to their actual age.
Jones had a unique style built around speed and reflexes. It worked until it didn't. And when the wheels came off, they came off quickly and dramatically. But as someone who watched him for most of his career, the pre 2004 and post 2004 version were simply not the same fighter. I think his style aged - and the weight compounded things also. Look at him in Tarver 1 or Johnson ... back on the ropes, single shot reliant with his back on he ropes, slow and jaded. And he only got worse from there ...And I think it was made worse by the fact that he carried on for sooo long after. He effectively ended up having two careers, the good and the bad. And the bad really was him as 'an old man'.
But make no mistake he was light years ahead of everyone else, 1993 - 2003. Both in his divisions and p4p. And I think the chin issue was a deterioration along with everything else. Prior to that it was never raised as an issue.
I respect your opinion but, personally, I view Jones as a phenomenal talent whose style was unique but flawed as he aged. But when it all worked it worked brilliantly. And that's how we should remember him. But unfortunately he didn't have the sense to walk away when it was all fading, though it's easy for me to say that as a non boxer.

 

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He didn't just lose 'muscle'

He lost muscle, fat, and water weight. The Jones nuthuggers are some of the dumbest on this site. Jones competition at 175 was a laughable joke and even then he was savagely KOed several times.

 

You must think Julio was a great win then, considering he went on to dethrone Michalzewski.

And what an amazing performance the Richard Hall must've been for you, considering Darius, by his own admission, had to dip deeper than ever to get the win against him after Hall got toyed with by Roy.