Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

In Boxing A+B =/= C

DM beat Hill before Roy when it actually meant something. Glass Jaw Reluctant Roy was late the to the party as usual. You can come up with all the mental gymnastics you want for Glass Jaw Roy but he was called 'Reluctant Roy' for a reason

Time hasn't been very good to Roy as most Boxing people have realized that a huge swath of his career was nothing but smoke and mirrors.

 

RJJ fought Hill straight after his fight with Michalczewski and unlike Michalczewski he did a much better job destroying him in 4 rounds with a single body shot so how is that a negative for RJJ ?

That literally makes 0 sense.

 

Claiming that RJJ had the superior LHW reign than DM just because he beat the guy who went onto dethrone Darius would be a dumb statement.

It's even dumber to suggest that Hill is a meaningless win for Roy just because he lost to DM before.

Both Roy and Darius feasted on each other's left-overs since they reigned simultaneously. That's the point I'm making.

And who are these boxing people that have realized that his career was nothing but smoke and mirrors exactly? ESPN ranked him in top20 in their all time rankings a few years back, and he made it to top-35 all time great list in Rummy's survey which consisted of the votes from classic forum posters.

 

Many will say that Roy Jones Jr. would win because he is a fighter from an older era and according to nostalgics such fighters are always better, Beterbiev is a different type of beast and he would knock out Roy Jones Jr.

 

Nothing to do with nostalgia it's just Beterbiev only has 2 real notable wins and one of them has a major asterisk over it as many people believe he lost to Bivol.

The way people make out 90s boxers are dinosaurs my guy you had fighters like Holyfield, Bowe, Whitaker, Tito, ODLH, Tyson, Toney, Hopkins, Mosley, Barrera, Lewis, Hamed, who would all fit into this era perfectly fine nothing has changed.

 

At the age of 39, Beterbiev is still undefeated and is the undisputed champion, while Roy Jones Jr. at that age was a punching bag.

 

RJJ started off as Middleweight and won titles all the way up to Heavyweight and had 50 professional fights when he started losing.

Beterbiev in comparison has only had 22 professional fights has fought in one weightclass and only fought 2 real notable opponents one of them a highly controversial decision.

Trying to compare their ages when one fighter has over double the amount of professional fights fought in 4 different weightclasses and fought many more notable opponents is not a good comparison.

 

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I have to agree on this one.

 

You simply just cannot compare fighters at the same age brother alot of different aspects come into it I'm not trying to be harsh but that is a fact.

 

Does anyone remember how Dariuz Michalsewski went up to heavyweight and beat a reigning belt holder in dominant fashion? A belt holder who had wins over Holyfield and Hasim Rahman.

Roy always said that you box the fighter and that you fight the boxer, Bivol would have gotten himself koed by Roy and Beterbiev would have lost a unanimous decision.

 

Riddick Bowe and Evander Holyfield had a great trilogy, maybe even better than Ali/Fraizer(ignoring the historic context).

Bowe got the better of the trilogy. Holyfield took far more punishment in thier 3 fights and took far, far, far more punishment in their overall careers.

Despite all that, Holyfield contended until his mid 40s, almost winning a title at 46, while Bowe was done as a top fighter before he hit 30.

EVERY. FIGHTER. AGE. DIFFERENTLY.

It’s reasonable to believe Beterbiev is a bad match up for prime Roy. But to base this on 35+ Artur being better than 35+ Roy, ignoring the fact that they had entirely different career trajectories, is comically silly.

 

The fact that several people in this thread are harping on about Roids fake HW world title win is proof that the smoke and mirrors is still working on some people.

 

John Ruiz was a trinket paper beltholder just like all the others Roy fought. Lennox Lewis was THE champion not John Ruiz. Lets not forget that Ruiz also lost to James Toney

Ruiz lost to two former middleweights. Roy handpicked Ruiz who was the easiest touch at the time just like he did his whole career. The very definition of smoke and mirrors.

 

A+B =/= C in Boxing.

Let me spell this out for you nuthugger:

Joe Frazier beats Muhammad Ali
Ken Norton beats Muhammad Ali
George Foreman destroys both Frazier and Norton in brutal fashion

That means George Foreman also will beat Muhammad Ali. Right?

Roy's 'win' over Hill was absolutely meaningless at the time. DM already beat him and took his belts. I don't care if Glass Jaw Roy KOed Hill in 58 seconds it wouldn't matter at that point. No Chin Roy was called 'reluctant' for a very big reason.

 

You realize Jones has more than double the amounts of bouts Beterbiev has?