Prime GGG would stop Beterbiev and Bivol

Why is 40 used as an excuse for GGG but not for Beterbiev? Artur will be 40 in 3 months. Scrolling through the Could Canelo beat Beterbiev topic, most are giving Canelo no chance against an Artur who would be 40 then.

Why are we giving GGG a pass for how he fought at 40 against Canelo, not taking any risks until the very end? Now I think there's a fair argument that GGG peaked in his early 30s and had visibly slowed down by his mid 30s and was well past it at 40, whereas Beterbiev's physical strength size and style has him more effective and well preserved nearing 40.

But why is it that GGG fans were using age as an excuse for him throughout the entirety of the Canelo trilogy, not just after the 3rd fight, and for years they were acting like how GGG performed was a product solely of his age and not who he was, repeatedly making the argument that it was physically impossible for any fighter in their mid to late 30s to beat younger prime fighters as a general rule of thumb. Beterbiev just disproved that idea, albeit controversially in how he handled Bivol, but still won and hasn't declined in his late 30s nearing 40 as GGG appeared to do.

And sure, he's a completely different fighter than GGG, with less overall fights, but those caveats weren't used to make excuses for GGG for his failures against Canelo. It was always age, age, age, sprinkled in with the usual judging conspiracies. And after what we just saw over the weekend, while plenty have voiced their discontent with the judges decision, no one's screaming bloody murder, robbery or corruption like they were after the first 2 Canelo GGG fights. It's as though GGG fans are holding GGG to a completely different standard than any other fighter. And I'm not even gonna disagree that maybe GGG did slow down by the time he fought Canelo. But after how confident they were beforehand that GGG would destroy Canelo and when that didn't happen, then the excuses started pouring in, and the conspiracies.

How about this - maybe GGG did slow down by the time he fought Canelo, or maybe he just wasn't his usual super supremely confident self, maybe he had some self doubt, due to the stylistic challenges Canelo presented. Or maybe he didn't train as hard, maybe he started becoming more lazy than he was earlier in his career. Every fighter ages differently, and I'm not here to knock GGG, but the double standards are quite apparent in how fans viewed the Canelo GGG trilogy vs Beterbiev Bivol, in terms of age, outrage, etc etc.

But to address the question of this topic, if we're talking Prime GGG, he was a KO machine. And I don't know if he could stop a Beterbiev or Bivol, but I think there's an argument that, even coming from two weight classes below, GGG would arguably be perhaps the hardest or most dangerous puncher that either of them fought, including the Canelo who Bivol fought, that Canelo maybe wasn't at his best due to the hand injury.

So while the idea of GGG stopping Beterbiev and Bivol seems maybe a little much on the surface, lets not forget how hard Prime GGG punched and how scary of a fighter he was in his prime. I mean just looking at how heavy handed Beterbiev is, he's a strong dude but this goes back to what Bivol said about how hard Canelo punched compared to Beterbiev, does Beterbiev actually hit his target with his punches with the kind of explosiveness that Prime GGG did? Prime GGG, and Super Middleweight Canelo for that matter, loaded up on shots and I think it could be argue that they were more dangerous punchers P4P than Beterbiev, even Prime Beterbiev. Then again maybe not but it's certainly debatable.

 

Yeah, but remember when G was prime? People were saying he could stop a prime Mike Tyson. Something about wrist size. LOL

 

People forget the kind of hype GGG had when he was Prime and KOing everybody. And much of it was justified. What annoys me is that when Canelo stepped up and fought the fights of his life against GGG, drawing the first time and getting the signature win in the rematch, those same GGG fans never gave Canelo the credit he deserved. Instead they started immediately making excuses, age, age age, accusing Canelo of aging him out, by delaying the fight for maybe a year, meawhile look how much longer Bivol "aged" Beterbiev out.

Even if you disagreed with the Canelo GGG decisions and thought GGG edged those first two, there were non-stop excuses about age, people are arguing that he was 35/36 and that was why he lost. Oh but if he was 32 or 33 he would have destroyed Canelo lmao.

Looking back at these arguments now within the context of Beterbiev Bivol is downright comical. And I get it to an extent, they were hurt by those results and being proved wrong, they just couldn't admit defeat and used every excuse in the book.

 

Yes but in his previous fight vs Murata he looked in decent form at Super Middleweight he looked to have no aura about him at all like he did at Middleweight.

Just seems silly to me someone would make a thread about Golovkin destorying elite Light Heavyweights when he hasn’t won a single fight above Middleweight.

There's no logic behind it mate.

 

No, hes too small for LHW

 

Prime Golovkin would be 0-2 (1ko loss), against Beterbiev and Bivol.

Golovkin's main problem vs. Beterbiev is that he's not cute enough, his defense is mainly blocking, range or just taking the shot. I don't need to go on about why that is a dumb strategy vs. Beterbiev. Beterbiev's main strength eclipses Golovkin's main strength.

As for Bivol, Bivol's rapid fire long range straight combinations and more elite footwork would seal Golovkin's doom.

 

Put it this way. Golovkin is a normal sized man. Walking down the street he just looked like a regular sized in shape guy. Beterbiev is a physically large man. Kind of comes with the territory of a guy who boils down to make 175. Beterbiev beats him within an inch of his life. Golovkin has an ATG chin. So Beterbiev would beat on him for about 6 or 7 rounds until his corner saves him being permanently damaged.

 

Correct

 

This is a debatable claim, not an axiom (something not debatable).

 

Steve Rolls

 

Prime or no prime GGG was robbed in those two fights. There is no way in hell GGG at the absolute very least shouldn't have been the 2nd man to have officially beaten Canelo, if not the only man to have defeated Canelo twice. Also, all fighters dont age the same.

 

I did forget about that fight but still both fighters only weighed 163 pounds where as Golovkin weighed half a pound under 168 pounds vs Canelo in their 3rd fight which is more of a legit weight at Super Middleweight.

 

I don't think Beterbiev is big. He looks pretty average. Stick legs.

 

HIghly doubtful. 3G was a natural MW. Hell, the Charlo bros and Caneloo weighed more fight night when they were at 154 then 3G when he was at 160.