Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Bullsh*t. If Ruiz was so easy to beat, more top HWs would have beaten him. And losing to James Toney is a BAD thing?

 

Mate you're hating on RJJ in every thread anyone would think he stole your girlfriend.

You're criticising RJJ for beating Hill in more impressive fashion when he's the only fighter to ever KO Hill lol how is that meaningless wtf ?

Literally 0 IQ response.

 

Ruiz lost to plenty of Heavyweights before and after he was a 'champion'. Lennox Lewis should have just done us a favor and fought him and savagely KOed him to end that whole charade. John Ruiz was absolute garbage

Pretending otherwise is delusional.

 

The irony here. Roy's win over Hill didn't mean ****. DM already beat him and took his belts.

 

Before he becamse washed up, only two guys defeated him with ease. Tua and Jones. Who cares about Lewis. Didn't realize Jones was the first guy EVER to move up in weight and NOT fight the recognized champ.

Ruiz was difficult for most HWs he fought. Like him or not, he forced his will on to the opthers, fought HIS fight. Even Holyfield could barely sqeak a clear win from him.

But we know your history Rico...you aren't a serious poster. Boxers you hate you are unable to be rational about.

 

"That doesn't mean he wasn't badly affected by jumping up to 160 and draining back to 147."

Brook may well have been more affected by the brutal TKO loss to a historically big punching MW. Longtime LMW Brook fought Crawford at 147 as a cash out.

Given Jones was not compromised for Tarver 1 post-Ruiz and was fighting at the same weight 6 years after Tarver 2 at the very advanced age of 41, I don't see much foundation to the weight drained excuse. Jones was a LMW at 22, a MW at 25 and a SMW at 27; I don't think he had the natural punch resistance to take big shots from LHW's. His stoppage ratio at LHW was vastly inferior to his stoppage ratio at MW and SMW, which suggests to me that the latter were better weights for him.

 

Trivia quesiton: Who is the only Heavyweight 'champion' to be defeated by two former middleweights?

Ruiz was garbage. Lets not try to make him something he was not.

 

Defeated by two ATGs. OMG....how terrible! Ruiz was garbage to watch. Not easy to beat. If you have an OUNCE of fairness, you'd agree with that.

 

Ruiz was garbage period. The fact he is the only one Roy fought at Heavyweight pretty much speaks volumes and proves my point. It was a total handpicked fight against the easiest mark at the time with the highest probability of a win. That's it.

 

Ruiz beat Holyfield who beat Tyson, Bowe, Foreman and Holmes.
Ruiz beat Hasim Rahman who beat Lennox Lewis.
He also beat Fres Oquendo by ko.

You call Ruiz garbage, you must have very impressive accomplishments in your book yourself to be able to do that.

 

Of course he was handpicked, who the eff said otherwise? What he did was still an impressive feat. Like I said...you can't be serious or fair. You just like to troll

 

RJJ was a middleweight champion, super middleweight champion, a light heavyweight champion, he had the audacity to skip cruiserweight and challenge for a portion of the heavyweight championship and won. He levelled up and won a portion of the heavyweight crown as an undefeated fighter bar a silly DQ back at light heavyweight.

Had he retired after the Ruiz fight there would have been a serious argument for him being the GOAT.

That’s not a fluke, one can’t fake that.

Comparing Beterbiev to RJJ is a weird dialogue.

RJJ was peaking at the Toney fight which was at Super middleweight. His most recognisable win was at Heavyweight.

Beterbiev probably would have given RJJ a tough fight at light heavyweight and lost via UD, pre Tarver 1.

Beterbiev has never won a world title in any division other than light heavyweight so take that into consideration.

 

Disagree. His corner stopped the fight the second time he seemed in trouble. He did take punishment, but not to the extend where you can say he got his prime beaten out of him.

The subjective purpose of the Brook taking the Crawfor fight is irrelevant here. You hinted that RJJ can’t have been damaged because he made LHW limit 6 years after jumping up to HW. I disagreed with an example of Brook who jumped up to MW from WW and made the WW limit 4 years after the initial weight jump and fought at 148 1 year after that. Brook was clearly damaged by jumping up and down in weight.

Jones campaigned at LHW for almost 7 years before moving up to HW to face Ruiz, going 15-0 in dominant fashion with more than half of his opponents being top10 LHWs. You say he never had the power or endurance to cut it at the weight, that his losses to Tarver and Johnson had nothing to do with decline? I’d disagree very strongly.

 

Exactly. Nobody ever said Ruiz was THE man. But he was a rough and tough heavyweight beholder who managed to maul his way to wins over some good contenders of the day. Did Jones hand pick him? Sure. But he had to be good enough to do it. How many former middlewights have wins over beholder \ top 5 heavyweights - especially in the lad half century? And Ruiz still gained wins over decent fighters at heavyweight. Demeaning this win is just silly