Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

If you are talking post heavyweight Roy Jones jr. then yeah Beterbiev crushes him. No argument there. If the arena vents are blowing too hard during the ring walk Roy might be on ***** street before the fight even starts. But if we are talking prime Roid at 175 then Beterviev gets whooped. Jones jr. would be too fast too powerful, and if he did get hit, he took a much better punch during his pre-heavyweight years. Beterbiev also gets hit occasionally, and has been dropped by far lesser men than a prime Jones jr. Prime for prime Roy wins a wide decision at the least.

 

Brook had a broken orbital, got stopped in 5 after taking 133 punches (CompuBox fwiw) from a huge punching MW and lost his 0. That likely diminished him. He then got his other orbital broken by Spence coming directly off that loss for another stoppage defeat, after that there's no doubt.

I don't think there's much comparison. Jones was making LHW consistently for 6 years after Tarver 2 whereas Brook came down to LMW 3.5 years later for an individual cash out. If making LHW was so uncomfortable and damaging for Jones between the ages of 35 and 41 he'd have moved up to cruiser, as he did later.

(edit: Jones beat Trinidad at 39 weighing 169.5 lbs, making the weight excuse even more questionable)

Some speculate that had Brook not cut back down to 147 for Spence he would have beat him but 1. it's Brook's fault either way 2. there's no real evidence this is the case. It's more plausible to me that fans just don't want to accept the validity of the loss.

Jones was 15-1 with 10 stoppages at LHW going into the Ruiz fight. Obviously he could more than cut it at LHW but his stoppage ratio was significantly better at the lower weights and he was never dropped below LHW to my knowledge. He also had fewer problems pointfighting at MW/SMW and wasn't interested in fighting DM in Germany.

I don't think any version of Jones takes the punch that Tarver caught him with without getting sparked. Had Lou Del Valle carried a bit more pop Jones may well have been stopped at 29. After Tarver 2 I suspect his head went and he became relatively indifferent to losing.

 

Roy would KO AB in about 6 rounds and go hooping afterwards. Then outbox Bivol the next day. Y'all Mussa Forgot.

 

If they were in the same era Roid Jones would have 100% ducked him. And Roid Jones hasn't been dropped by far lesser men than Beterbiev in his prime? Lou Del Valle ring a bell?

 

There's a reason why he had such a sudden and rapid decline. He had **** fundamentals. He style relied far too much on athleticism. a supposed generational talent shouldn't be getting brutally KO'd in a one sided fight by Glen Johnson of all people after losing decisively for the first time.

 

His victory vs Toney is one of the most brutal displays of ring IQ that I've ever watched. It is a ****ing master class from start to end. I don't know what are you talking about, tbh.

 

Agree to disagree on all accounts.

I’ve been quoted here posting that cutting weight would be more of a challenge for Brook and would take a toll on him back in 2016, and I thought history proved me right. You don’t think It’s anything like Roy’s situation, I think It’s very similar.

It would be surprising if adding 20lbs of muscle and cutting it back down in a time span of 14 months in your mid 30s didn’t take a serious toll on the body.

I don’t think Roy that fought say Reggie Johnson would get caught flush with that shot from Tarver.

 

Based on what exactly? Now Bivol beats prime Roy Jones?

 

Reality is we'll never know who really was better. I can see a case for either fighter winning, neither faced a fighter like the other.

Beterbiev was outboxed at times by Bivol and Roy no doubt would have a lot of success and make Beterbiev miss a lot and punish him with counters. He'd find RJJ's unorthodox style very difficult to deal with unlike Bivol's text book but more predictable style.

Beterbiev though only needs to land cleanly once, which will be hard to do to be honest but with Roy's tendency to sit on the ropes at times, I could see Beterbiev having success there.

 

Neither fighter threw very many punches in that fight
Was a lot of posing and setting then resetting their feet while not throwing. What in the **** are you talking about?

 

A comment from the video against Cloud