Holmes Or Foreman -Whom Do You Rate Higher?

Holmes.

 

Foreman H2H Holmes P4P

 

Holmes

 

Thats a perfectly justified opinion to have. I could certainly see that going down. Personally, I just think Foreman would be a bit too much for him.

 

Holmes for both.

 

Foremans prime was better his comeback was better. He actually scored more points against Holyfield despite the deduction. Foremans SOS in their 2 common eras the 70s and 90s was better his performance against their shared opponents except old Ali was also better. Foreman had more power and a better chin. Prime Holmes most likely loses to a peak Ali or Jimmy Young. No version of Foreman is getting knocked out by prime Mike Tyson. Everything except title defenses points to Foreman.

Of Foremans best 5 70s opponents Ali, Frazier, Norton, Jimmy Young and Lyle Holmes only got to Ali when he was washed and Norton who he barely beat. Old Foreman did better against Cooney then prime Holmes did.

The answer is clear.

 

Fractionally favour Foreman if it’s in a head-to-head. Holmes has a style advantage but just didn’t beat anyone even marginally as dangerous, & did more firing back than tying up when hurt.

You’d be crazy to bet on any outcome though.

 

Holmes is clearly higher in a resume sense. H2H is debatable. They both have sorts of fighters that they would do better against than the other guy. Holmes is probably also better H2H but there are guys that Foreman handled easily (like maybe Frazier) that could prove much more problematic for Holmes.

 

Put your tin hat on, dude. I think you may have a bit of incoming. There a few flaws in your reasoning.

40% of the opponents you list as being Foreman's best beat him. You aren't serious that peak Jimmy Young beats prime Holmes, are you? And what's this about Foreman being more impressive vs Cooney than prime Holmes' showing against Gerry? Gerry in 1990, when he fought George, had had two fights in eight years, his previous fight three years prior when he lost to Michael Spinks.

There's a strong case that could be made for either fighter - I certainly don't think the 'answer is clear' - but I don't think you've made a strong one for George. There's loads to back your point up with. You just seem to have missed it.

 

Young didn’t beat prime Foreman, either.

 

Foreman did not score more points vs Holyfield one judge was clearly biased with the 115-112 scorecard. Foreman won about 3 rounds at most and Holyfield out landed Foreman 355 punches to 188.

In comparison Holmes on most scorecards won 4 rounds vs Holyfield with some feeling Holmes could've won 5 rounds. Holmes was also more competitive with the punchstats being alot more even, Holyfield only outlanded Holmes by 40 punches 247 to 207 compared to Foreman vs Holyfield where Holyfield out landed Foreman almost 2 to 1.

Foreman’s prime lasted about year and a half from when he won the title and then lost it. And then he had a hit and miss run barely surviving against Lyle and then was comprehensively beaten by Young before retiring.

I think you can say Foreman had the best single wins for a brief period but as for better in his prime ? Debatable. Foreman in his prime lost convincingly to Ali who was past his prime Holmes never lost until he was 35 years old.

Secondly Foreman never fought a peak Ali, Young likely beats Holmes are you serious ? Young dropped two decisions to Ocasio. Foreman beat Cooney who was 8 years past his prime and coming off a 3 year lay off hardly comparable to the Cooney in 1982 who Holmes fought that's a ridiculous comparison.

Foreman wouldn't get stopped by a prime Tyson you sure about that ? In the same circumstances of Foreman coming off a long lay off with 4 weeks to prepare ? This is the same Foreman who was beaten to a pulp by Alex Stewart in the later rounds where he looked like a Martian after.

As for the thread Holmes wins on both categories H2H and P4P.