Where do you rank sonny liston?

I have to wonder how many people who placed Sonny in the Top 5 would do the same had his record been from 1993-2010, with the same rating of fighters he'd beaten and similar circumstances (uncrowned champ, then champ for 2 years). My guess: zero.

 

Russell Peltz was a promoter who'd seen Martin get a nasty cut during his ko win against Wendell Newton and kinda sorta had a feeling that he might have suffered his detached retina during that fight. He never pretended to have any medical knowledge, any particularly close association to Martin, or any evidence to support his theory.

Martin himself made it very clear that the injury happened against Liston. After his retirement, he vividly described sensing that he was bleeding despite the lack of any visible cut:

I got hurt in the fifth round... or maybe it was late in the fourth. Anyway, I kept on boxing, but I thought I was bleeding. I kept wiping my eye with my glove and then looking at the glove, looking for blood. I went back to my corner and asked. "How's the cut?"

Quinzell McCall, my trainer, he said, "There ain't no cut."

I thought, "Uh-ohh, I'm hurt." The blood I was seeing was in the eye.

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Sorry but I think Olympic champion Wlad Klitschko was much more advanced when he lost to Ross Puritty. I don't want to go far back to the early defeats of Johnson or Dempsey, but the history of the Marciano-Lowry or Norton-Garcia fights is interesting. Did Clay really beat Doug Jones or Henry Cooper? In any case, the defeat against Marshal does not discredit Liston, especially since he avenged it.

 

Thank you Sir.

 

Where I said it was my post?
I found this on youtube and copied, it wasn't even a post but comment and it was just this, so again you accused me wrong because you don't like what I'm saying.

 

Ross Purity was the real heavyweight and a good joruneyman unlike Tommy Morrison.

Early defeats of Johnson and Dempsey were because there was no amateur boxing unlike the time Liston fought.

Marciano beat Lowry and Ali beat Jones even tho they were close fights and these guys were stil thousand times better than bum Marshall.
Yes it discredit Liston legacy since he lost against him unlike orher all time great HWs in their early fight.

 

There is great evidence to support this theory since Martin went to surgery after that fight also there is no single quote that claims that Martin detina was detached in Liston fight while i posted quotes where it was mentioned and that it was not in the Liston fight but before that.

Where Martin directly said it was in the Liston fight?

He didn't, so I don't think this is a valid argument that proves Martin injured his eyes in the Liston fight.

Russel was also close with Martin so he would know better than us.

 

Again nothing of this proved Martin injured eyes fighting Liston also, Martin never directly said it was the Liston fight so there are not reasons for you to be happy because I proved the ppint that Martin eye injury was long before Liston fight.

Also I posted quote where it was mentioned by his menager and promoter Russel who knew him better.

So it wasn't the Liston fight Martin got eye problems he even had eye surgery before Liston fight...sorry but your hero didn't retire Martin.

 

Peltz believes Martin suffered the career-ending eye injury not against Liston, but in a bout Peltz promoted at the Blue Horizon against Wendell Newton two months before the Liston fight.

“I’ve always believed that to be the case,” Peltz said. “It was supposed to be an easy fight for Leotis but it wasn’t, and his eye blew up. He might have been behind on the cards when he stopped Newton.”

Collins was at ringside and recalls the bout as being especially dramatic because there was so much at stake for Martin.


“There was a lot of tension in the air because he had to beat Newton to get Liston,” Collins said.

He beat Newton, and after that Roger Russell, who’d beaten Martin two years before. Then came the Liston fight.

Is it possible that Martin fought Russell and then Liston with a detached retina? Physicals weren’t administered as strictly in the late 1960s as they are today.

And as Peltz pointed out, another famous Philadelphia cult hero, Gypsy Joe Harris, fought for years while legally blind in one eye.


Full article, so no your her didn't end Martin carrer another false.

 

Peltz believes Martin suffered the career-ending eye injury not against Liston, but in a bout Peltz promoted at the Blue Horizon against Wendell Newton two months before the Liston fight.

“I’ve always believed that to be the case,” Peltz said. “It was supposed to be an easy fight for Leotis but it wasn’t, and his eye blew up. He might have been behind on the cards when he stopped Newton.”

Collins was at ringside and recalls the bout as being especially dramatic because there was so much at stake for Martin.


“There was a lot of tension in the air because he had to beat Newton to get Liston,” Collins said.

He beat Newton, and after that Roger Russell, who’d beaten Martin two years before. Then came the Liston fight.

Is it possible that Martin fought Russell and then Liston with a detached retina? Physicals weren’t administered as strictly in the late 1960s as they are today.

And as Peltz pointed out, another famous Philadelphia cult hero, Gypsy Joe Harris, fought for years while legally blind in one eye.

Full article.

 

No,no,no.Yes Martin sustained an injury in his previous fight but the man himself was convinced
he suffered the detached retina during his fight with Liston.
Are you saying that Leotis Martin is a liar ?

 

So Leotis Martin was just imagining that he suffered the detached retina
during his fight with Sonny Liston ?
At least according to you !

 

Nope, he never claimed in any sentence that it was in Liston fight but menager and close people claimed that it was in Newton fight.

I'll take that over what you wanna be true.

 

Martin never said he suffered eye problems and detatched retina in Liston fight just that it became worse and worse after Liston fight.

Also:
The retina is the light-sensitive layer of tissue at the back of the eyeball. Images that come through the eye's lens are focused on the retina.

That means he had problems with this way before Liston fight.

 

Nope it only discredit yours since you compare people with little or no amateur record with people that went to golden gloves auu and had many years prison amateur fights.

He was a bum, a journeyman that lost half of his professional fights and had 9-5 job as a construction worker.
He was just a tomato can for young pro fighter to be on their record.

Where?
Again lie, Joe Louis couldn't lay a glove on Marciano and Marciano looked fresh after the fught while Ezzard Charles looked like he was hit by train, that proves that Marciano defense was great.

Joe Louis pushed Marciano?
When?
This sentence proves that you have bo good arguments or maybe you watched different fught but Marciano bullied Louis.
Also Louis had more faster and precise jab and still didn't bother Marciano wirh that unlike Liston who was not that precise and his jab is way slower.
Also Marciano proved he had better defense than great Ezzard Charles by simply did better against Louis jab.

Satterfield had no chin, was 30 pounds lighter and 2 inches shorter and stil murdered Williams.

He didn't lose power after shooting and it didn't changed his ability to take punches because his chin was weak, the same way it was before shooting.

Williams faced 2 hard punches who are not as good as Marciano and got KOed and beaten like a drum.

Because even old Louis and Charles would beat Folley, Machen and Williams simply because they are leagues above those guys.
Holmes beat Mercer same way Louis and Charles would beat these fighters simply because they are leagues above.

It counts who finished him faster and Liston took so much that even Jerry Quarry and Bugner who were not very hard punchers knocked Wepner faster than Liston.
That's what counts, the record and on paper they did better than Liston.

Lie again...Quarry knocked Johnson inside 2 rounds in 1966 and Lyle knocked also Johnson in 3 rounds.