Where do you rank sonny liston?

Why do you think Marty was a loser and Ross wasn't? 1.Marshall had a better record than Purritty
2. Wlad had many more fights before the Purritty fight than Liston had before the Marshall fight and was an Olympic champion
3 Vlad lost in a much worse way
4. Vlad didn't retaliate, Sonny did it twice

Are you still going to say over and over again that Marty was a loser because that's what you think?

 

Comparing Liston's loss to Marshall and Wladimir's loss to Purrity is baffling.

Liston fought for less than a year as an Amateur and only had 7 Professional fights when he lost to Marshall in a 8 rounder. Liston also won the rematch with Marshall for context.

Wladimir on the other hand had 140 Amateur fights and 24 professional fights under his belt when he lost to Purrity and didn't revenge the loss.

 

Marty has better record in what chess?
Give me a break.
He beat Joe Chip, draw with Morrison and went distance with so much harder puncher.

Marshall best win was young Liston and that's it.

And so did Liston when lost against LHW contender Leotis Martin.
He had more fights than Wlad.

In how worse?
Sonny got his jaw broken Wlad didn't.

Because Puritty was real HW and better fighter than 170 pounds journeyman Marshall whom Liston outweighted by 30 pounds.

Martin was a bum and so was Ross but Ross was not 30 pounds lighrer than Wlad and actually went distance with better fighters.

 

I proved my evidence by quoting the man who knew him personally and knew that something was wrong in the Newton fight, I'll take that over what you think.

And so did Gerald when Benn gave him brain damage but it was actually fight with Jackson.

What coincidence that it was the same eye he injured in the Newton fight.

Is it so hard for Liston nuthuggers to admit that he didn't cause that damage?

I said that Simmons was closer to winning against Williams even tho he was past prime than stopping Rocky when Simmons was in his prime.

 

Yeah and that same nose got split in half against Ezzard.
Marciano still fought with nose split open and never pull excuses like Liston.

Greb fought injured and with broken ribs.
He also fought blind in one eye.

Max Baer fought with both hands broken against Joe Louis.

Frazier fought Ali with high bloood pressure and blind in one eye.

And many fighters did to including Amstrong, Choynski, Langford, Dempsey hell even Muhammad Ali fought many times injured.

And all of them entered ring with injuries worse than Liston's and they never quit while Liston quit twice and even cheated.

 

Dempsey learned just basic from his brother and fought to eat but neber had chance and equipment to go Golden gloves.

Yes they do, Dempsey was fighting to eat and survive while Liston was a thug and thief, fought to hurt people and was hired by the mob.

 

1.Marshall was 19-6, Purritty was 24-13. So Marta's record seems better
2. You seem to be deliberately ignoring the argument that this was Wlad's 25th fight and only Sonny's 8th.
3. Wlad lost by tko, Sonny by SD
4. Sonny took decisive revenge twice, Vlad never

I keep repeating the same arguments, I'm still waiting for yours

 

Against who?
Purritty went distance with Rahman, Morrison, Sanders, Byrd, Donald and wasn't stopped by them.
Ross faced better guys and was stopped only by Vitali Klitchko while Marshall was being stopped by many guys.
Also Ross not only had better record but was a real size Hw too.

And what was the number of fights when Liston faced Martin?
Klitchko only lost against top HWs and he was even older than Liston when he went distance with Joshua and Fury.

Again against who?
Liston outweighted Marshall by 30 pounds plus Ross was better fighter.

 

well, Ross only survived the distance with them and Wlad didn't survive it with Ross... Is an SD loss worse than a TKO loss?
Liston got back at Marshall twice, how many times did Wlad get back at Purritti?
Which fight in Liston's career was lost? And which one is Wlada? Are you more advanced with 7 fights or 24?

 

This isn't about what I think, it's about what Leotis Martin and his manager thought. I've repeatedly shown you that they both stated his injury was caused by the Liston fight.

Your "evidence" consists of nothing but the fact that Martin got a cut during the Newton fight. A cut and a detached retina are totally different things - as we see from Martin's description of how during the Liston fight he felt as though his eye was bleeding even though there was no visible cut.

No, that's wrong. You said Williams "barely got decision over Simmons", which is totally untrue.

 

I can't believe some people think it is a valid argument to rank a fighter on their worst performances rather than their best? Should we rank Ali on getting outhussled, outworked a d out fought by a near novice? Tyson on being beaten by Danny Williams and McBride, Hopkins on losing his first fight. Do we count all the slower races when we rate Usain Bolt, or do we count the ones where he smashed records and obliterated his opponents with that arrogant swaggering stride? Liston on his best day was, in my opinion, a monster. Did he have bad days? Hell yes. Do you?

 

We're not discussing whether boxers are saints or sinners here.Yet another inappropiate response from you.

 

Joe Frazier is a frequent victim of this too, with a close verdict against Oscar Bonavena barely ten fights into his career. It’s ludicrous.

Liston might be in a league of his own, though. They even named a movie made about his career & life (not the Ali rematch mind, but all of his career), Phantom Punch.

That’s like naming an Ali film Holmes & Berbick.

 

And yet in only his 8th professional fight Sonny Liston fought several rounds with a
broken jaw,and Marciano cancelled his rematch with Jersey Joe because of a bloody nose !

 

Yep, reading about all those guys I guess it makes you feel even more ashamed about Rocky cancelling
his rematch with Jersey Joe Walcott because of a bloody nose.
Try not to take it too bad mate.