Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Roy was definitely mentally shot after Tarver 2, and physically past it as well by that age considering his style relied on speed and reflexes. I don't use the weight cut excuse. I think that's always been just an excuse. Do you think SRL was shot at the same age at 35 when he got battered by Terry Norris?

 

I believe that played a big role along with Roid getting busted and being off the sauce. But how does that explain the complete lack of chin? Unless.... Roid was always packing glass. The diminished reflexes made it a fatal flaw.

 

So you think the chin he had vs Glenn Johnson is the same that he had in his previous decade long career when he was only knocked down once, and managed to move to HW to beat a solid champion with a decent punch? That makes no sense. The sensible explanation would be that once he was knocked out by Tarver his chin was no longer the same especially at 35.

 

This is like a reunion.

We have:

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Has anyone seen anything of the main man - Bailey?

This could be like a Team Elite reunion.

Just like the good old days.

I shall be posting shortly.

This could be a 50 pager.

Have a great weekend guys.

I’ll be on next week.

 

But that's the thing Serge he hasn't got that deep of a resume so we're just guessing what Beterbiev would've achieved. Don't get me wrong regarding the eye test i rank him fairly highly and his win over Bivol is very good in the context of his age as i said. But alot of people also think he lost to Bivol and he looked kind of lost to me for atleast 9 rounds when he wasn't able to be effective or assertive with his aggression like he normally is.

I get what you're saying about some of Bivol's opposition but really Bivol is not a notable puncher he doesn't put much oomph into his punches and looks just to score accurate clean punches and there's nothing wrong in that it's just he's not a puncher. What i was trying to say though is i wasn't trying to discredit Bivol it's more like i'm saying Beterbiev took 50 percent of Bivol's power punches. And whilst people in this thread are trying to saying RJJ can't hit at Light Heavyweight, i can tell you right now RJJ hit with considerable power and if he's landing at 50 percent of his power punches then Beterbiev is in trouble.

I know Beterbiev will get hit with his style but for me he is quite hittable.

Agreed about the Amateur's but again Serge i think styles do play a role in how certain fighters are more effective at moving up in weights. As you're well aware Cruiserweights now are basically small Heavyweights and you had very notable big Cruiserweights like Breidis who i don't think Beterbiev would beat, Usyk obviously, and Gassiev who is a very big puncher at the weight.

Beterbiev would be coming at them in an aggressive manner and i'm not sure he would be quite as effective against considerably bigger men. I think just Lomachenko, Usyk, are different type of talents to Beterbiev and their skill, footwork, and being able to out box bigger opponents is very unique that not many fighters could replicate it.

 

I’ve been reading this thread all week.

And it’s just been a pleasure reading your posts.

I thought about joining in a few times, but then you’d typed out exactly what I was planning on writing.

Great minds and all that.

I’ll reply next week.

Especially as the old gang are here.

Have a good weekend mate.

Keep up with the great posts.

It’s also great to see Serge posting.

 

Serge i think i have been quite fair in regards to the Tarver fights i did say the 1st fight RJJ was clearly effected by the weight loss. But in the 2nd fight he did look considerably better he just caught with a perfectly timed shot.

I do think though that the Tarver KO combined with the age did ruin him though, his chin and confidence never seemed to be the same after that for whatever reason.

I do think you're underselling Tarver's power a bit though Chris Johnson left on a stretcher and Tarver ended his career, he also stopped Eric Harding, and has moved up to Cruiserweight/Heavyweight and stopped fighters there aswell. Whilst Beterbiev is a more aggressive fighter and hits consistently harder than Tarver, but regarding single punch power i think Tarver is the bigger puncher in that regard his left hand had serious power in it.

As i've said Serge i think both fighters would be a dangerous match up for each other i just don't agree with that Beterbiev walks through RJJ easily like some people are suggesting in this thread. RJJ would be by far the best fighter Beterbiev has fought and his speed, power, athleticism, would be very troubling for him. And likewise Beterbiev would be a major threat to RJJ.

I just don't see why people have to discredit a past fighter to make the current one look better, they're two different eras and Beterbiev's journey is still going on atm I wish people would just appreciate both fighters and see their strengths.

 

I'm not going to lie I've had some pretty poor interactions in this thread so it's quite refreshing to just have a normal debate with @Serge who clearly knows what he is talking about.

 

"John Ruiz can't hit"

Here's Ruiz being one of the few fighters to deck Holyfield with a single right hand and having him out on his feet 7:53 for reference.

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He didn't beat a solid champion. He beat one of the worst and most fraudulent HW titleists of all time. John Ruiz was a total joke.

Roid ducked big punchers. You yourself said his decline was largely due to age making his athletic reflex heavy style ineffective. So..... Roid loses just a bit and starts getting caught with some punches that might not have caught him before and starts getting KO'd left and right. That's the sensible outlook.

 

By heavyweight standards he most certainly can not. Dropping a war torn washed up Holyfield does not make you a lethal puncher. Also Holyfield had to deal with all of Ruizs illegal tactics. That wasn't allowed against Roid. How do you think Roid would have done if he had to deal with almost every other Ruiz opponent had to deal with at the time? Roid doesn't last in that scenario.

 

I never said he was a lethal puncher but he wasn't feather fisted either and Holyfield was still durable. Ruiz did land some flush right hands on RJJ without much effect.