What Are Holyfields Chances Against Foreman (Ali Fight)?

Foreman was factually in his best performance at 214lbs in footage (I can’t find anymore…) Foreman weighed in vs Norton in combat boots and jeans, I tend to take the lower number after finding that out - but I don’t care he was 220lbs, it doesn’t make a difference lol though for some 200lbs vs 220lbs is a monstrous disparity’s whilst 220lbs and 240lbs don’t matter lol.

 

Silly take, Bowe has been called a heavy handed fighter by anyone asked he was 235-240lbs and 6ft5 Evander warred with that guy at 205lbs for a whole 12 - Evander beat that guy up at 217lbs and the 3rd fight? Both those guys had there reasons for not being there, Evander had hepatitis ffs and that’s been agreed on by multiple people in the game so I’ll pass him, Old Foreman wobbled him a little bit what’s wrong with that? He lasted 12 and didn’t look remotely in trouble lol Old Foreman also weighed nearly 40lbs more (EH was also 208lbs in the bout) Evander also had him reeling around the ring? So did Ali, Young… A young 70s Foreman is going to be getting both barrels from a 218lbs (likely) PED blasting Holyfield whilst GF will enjoy being the “little guy” in the ring… at all ranges he’s the worse boxer he wasn’t an inside fighter, he might’ve been good with his jab but he only knew how to throw that away by being too aggressive (he might look good going towards Holyfield but once they start rumbling inside…) this fight is all Holyfield.

 

I think Big George was a force of nature and on that mushy canvas with loose ropes, Holyfield isn’t going to be able to stand up to him long enough to wear George down.

In a normal ring, if he’s disciplined then I could see Holy turning the trick. But George is still a monster.

 

Genuinely feel EV smashes George here. Discipline v indiscipline, simple. Vander is compact in the hole, has the chin from hell at his best and rattles George with short, sharp punches from within his crude swings. This is a head on the chest beat down. Evander and its not even close....

 

By round 8 -- when Bowe finally managed to put Holyfield away, after getting KD'd himself at one point -- Bowe had thrown 524 punches. I'm curious how this total compares to Foreman's punch count from the Rumble in the Jungle, since Foreman was obviously dead to the world by the round when Bowe got Holyfield.

(Regardless of whether you want to add the hepatitis on top of that.)

Holyfield seemed pretty darn hard to stop.

 

He's not?

 

If we're talking about the mushy ring, what do you attribute Ali beating George to that Holyfield couldn't pull off?

(That's not intended as a rhetorical or pointed question; I'm curious.)

 

Holy hell.

 

They also don't take into account, Ali's masterclass in mind games that helped him immensely in that fight.
Holyfield wouldn't torment an opponent into a blind rage. It wasn't who he was.

 

This thread should be titled, "What are Foreman's chances against Holyfield?" Slim and None.

 

Im not falling for your bait bud.

 

It might help to remember that nobody thought that Holyfield could beat Tyson.

 

Odd thought occurred to me.

This is Evan Fields from Tyson 1. He's already fought a smarter, more skilled, more disciplined version of Foreman. (Albeit a slower, older, and less aggressive one.) Zaire Foreman never fought Holyfield or anyone like him.

From a technical standpoint, does it help Holyfield's prep that he's gone 12 rounds with the old version? Is he going to have a better sense of how to deal with the younger Foreman? Or is it misleading experience that'll actually hurt Holyfield's chances?

I don't know whether enough of 70s Foreman's ingrained patterns and habits remained in the 90s version that Holyfield's experience will be useful against the smaller, cruder, younger, dehydrated one.

 

Ali came out to stick and move. He saw in the first round it would be impossible in that ring with George’s ability to cut off the ring.

So he shifted and did the rope-a-dope — he laid on the ropes and let George take aim and launch nuclear missiles and withstood him. Some of the body shots alone would have caved most people in half. Ken Norton and anyone else who got trapped on the ropes with Foreman were pulverized. Ali had the mental fortitude to weather it.

Furthermore, he had the mental toughness and mental edge. He literally at some point said something like, ‘C’mon, they told me you could hit hard. Don’t disappoint me, George.’ He had a pair the size of bowling balls to taunt one of the greatest punchers of all time and say, ‘That all you got? Show me again how hard you hit.’

I don’t see Evander or anyone else being able to lay on the ropes and let George go bombs-away and be standing at the end to tell about it.

 

I agree that Holyfield didn't do psychological warfare like Ali.

I dunno about durability and mental toughness, though. Do you think there's that much of a gap between Ali and Holyfield in those categories that it would be decisive?