Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

For which part?

All of this has been discussed on here numerous times over the years.

I’ve provided numerous links from various sources.

Statements from various HBO execs etc.

People love to claim that HBO couldn’t wait to get rid of him, as they were somehow conned by him etc.

Yet the truth is, although there were times when they were frustrated, he featured on their network for around 16 years.

From 1992-2008.

They gave him multiple contracts.

He fought on the network well over 20 times.

Lou DiBella, Ross Greenberg, Mark Taffet, Seth Abraham and Kerry Davis, all backed him at various parts of his career.

The only real mistake they made, was having contracts which including those low level mandatories.

But those fights couldn’t be helped. And especially when they’d wanted him to become the undisputed champion after beating Reggie Johnson. He then had mandatory obligations from all three of the main organisations.

 

I love when London schools fools on here

 

Roy's win over Tarver is debatable. The crowd certainly made it clear they thought Tarver won with their boo'ing of the result. Yes specific circumstances such as the drop down from Heavyweight, burning muscle did result in a lackluster performance from Roy, but specific circumstances can be mentioned for Beterbiev also. Let us compare the following victories:-

Roy MD12 Tarver
Versus
Beterbiev MD12 Bivol

1. Beterbiev was damn near 40 years old when he fought Bivol. Me and you have had a few skirmishes on these forums back when it used to be called Eastside boxing forum, ESB. You displayed the wisdom of a damn near 40 year old back then, so you and me probably understand Beterbievs aging right now. A 40 year old against a prime aged 32/33 year old Bivol and Beterbiev had Bivol retreating in the championship rounds is impressive. That is a valid specific circumstance.

2. Beterbiev came back from a knee surgery that many don't recover from. We seen Sergio Martinez knee injury being taken advantage of by Miguel Cotto in the past. Thats one of many examples.

3. Beterbiev was out of the ring almost a year and had to deal with the covid inactivity. Ring rust. This with the knee injury explains why Beterbiev wasn't looking his usual self yet still put in a solid performance against Bivol. Another reason why Beterbiev couldn't get his usual KO victory:-

4. Bivol is a superior boxer. Beterbiev even said in the post interview, Bivol maybe better boxer than me. Bivol is a better boxer than Tarver. If a 40 year old former Middleweight in Bernard Hopkins was able to box Tarver's head off I would expect Bivol to do a more definitive schooling. Yet Beterbiev had Bivol wilting in the championship rounds.

5. Beterbiev win over Bivol is clearer win than Roy's win over Tarver. Beterbiev never looked bothered or wasn't really pushed back by his opponent as Tarver had Roy.

6. You can mention Roy's longer career and him having more fights, but let's not forget Beterbiev's long amateur career. With what around 300 bouts. Where he fought at light heavyweight aswell as 90 kilo. In a tough Soviet circuit.

7. Beterbiev started pro boxing late.

Now we got these wins over Griffin, Hill, and Reggie Johnson.

Beterbiev cracked a chin in Joe Smith Jr that had never been cracked as an amateur or pro. With ease. Unifying the division.

A two round destruction of Tavoris Cloud in his 6th pro fight.

Demolished Campillo in 4 rounds in his 8th pro fight.

Beterbiev has been dominating light heavyweight champs his entire pro career. And made them look easy.

Regardless, I accept Roy was undisputed champion since the WBO wasn't venerated those times. However he never became lineal champ while a lineal champ existed, this will lead to dispute among us scholars.

 

Sorta pathetic to claim that Roy lost the first fight vs Tarver.

 

It was a very close fight. Either way it doesn't matter because Tarver shattered that Glass Jaw in the rematch and mind ****ed Roy so bad that he claimed he "didn't try to win" in the third fight because of his Daddy

Tarver ended Glass Jaw Roy's career in brutal and embarrassing fashion. Nobody showed any respect to Roy and he started getting KOed over and over all across the globe.

 

I didn’t mention Tarver.

I’m questioning your logic.


You guys keep asking stupid questions, such as:

“If a B level Glen Johnson knocked him out with ease, then what would Artur have done?”

Yet that question would only be logical, if we were looking at Artur fighting that specific post HW version of Roy.

Otherwise, it has no relevance.


What I initially asked, was:

“If Glen Johnson easily beat Roy like that, then why didn’t Ruiz also easily beat him?”

Ruiz hits harder than Johnson.

But the answer to the question is obvious:

They were obviously very different versions of Roy.


Regarding Tarver, if you think that he hit harder than Ruiz, then why do you say that Roy had a glass jaw?

I would think that that same shot would have knocked out most LHW’s.

It’s even possible that Tarver could have knocked out Beterbiev with that same shot, if he could have landed it as perfectly.

 

Wow man. That's one of the most pathetic things that I have ever seen written. You must have a really great life.

 

Which part? Are you denying that Glass Jaw Roy said he "didn't try to win" in the third Tarver fight because his Dad would have received all the credit? Are you denying that Roy continued to get knocked out over and over after the second Tarver fight? Roy was brutally exposed and when that happened it was over for him. His opponents showed him no respect. None.

 

One thing that stands out is that you didn't deny anything so my condolences and best of luck to you.

 

Prime Roy was too quick/fast. Too graceful. They wouldnt touch him. Wouldnt get him in trouble. With Beterviev it would be horribly boring It would be Fury vs Wlad sped up about 2 times except with Roy landing a few more punches.

RJr beats Bivol by easy/boring UD or maybe stoppage.

They just arent fast enough to have troubled RJjr at his peak.

 

One thing for certain, prior to Tarver even throwing such a punch at Beterbiev, he wouldn't have the nerve or any reason to say: "you got any excuses tonight (Roy)?". If he has the gall to say something remotely close to that, Artur Beterbiev would shorten Tarver's wakefulness by a few rounds.