What Are Holyfields Chances Against Foreman (Ali Fight)?

If Holyfield could beat 2nd career George, who was a much more seasoned and tough version than his younger version… he could wear down and get a UD against young Foreman. MAYBE doing so getting up off the deck.

Always have thought older Foreman was a bit less dangerous but better.

 

I consider that a strong assertion, solid ground there. I only rate Holmes a couple steps up as ATG...partly because h2h I don't see George making it 9 rounds.

All respect to your views.

 

“A bit less dangerous!?”

His energy & zeal were unrecognisable during his comeback. Barely a shadow of what they had been.

 

Imho Holyfield has a good chance to do the same as Ali.

 

40 year old George may have been a superior technician and defensive fighter but he wasn’t close to the freight train-like, explosive aggressor young George was. Also a much better finisher, I don’t see Evander coping well

 

Young Foreman would damn near kill old Foreman…as all young versions of ourselves would to the old men we become.

 

I wouldn't be so sure. Vitali remained at a very high level until he was quite old. Same with Ortiz, Zhang, and some other moderns. Foreman is an unusual heavyweight, but he's no longer a total anomaly.

Professional fighters after the training revolution that Spinks started are different critters from Classic forum members, IMO.

 

I disagree. Old George would have been a nightmare for young George. Bigger, heavier handed, he'd manhandle young George around the ring and eventually manouvre the tiring young version of himself into a perfect position to allow himself to be knocked out. Young George had a pretty crap fight iq and a poor gas tank. Old George addressed those shortcomings in spades. Other opinions are available and equally likely....

 

Cooney had him staggered with one good punch. Imagine…

 

I don’t think Klitschko ever operated at a high level personally - as pure a product of a putrid era as ever you will see.

 

I know you're unusual in how much you think Vitali Klitschko sucked, but I thought you at least believed he was a legit contender.

It's the consistency I'm getting at, rather than arguing Klitschko was an all time great. Even if you think he was a mediocre contender, he didn't change much in quality as he aged.

 

I think a peak Holyfield who fought a very smart fight vs Bowe in their 2nd fight using movement and firing off fast combinations could beat a young Foreman.

Any other version probably gets stopped as Holyfield was too gung ho and liked to exchange punches too much and that would be his downfall.

 

Are we really gonna go down this road? Old George was never off his feet, young George was. Several times. Cooney was a huge puncher for all his fragility. Personally, I don't think it matters. Old Gelrge wouldn't fight young George with the same maverick attitude he fought Gerry because his ring iq would not allow him too. He knows he's not blowing his young self away, it's a war of attrition, a competitive fight where the old man teaches the young man many life lessons...now, here is the kicker....

Old George who got beat by Old George when he was young George beats Old George who didn't fight young George....


Thank you, thank you, I'm here all night.....

 

That’s fair enough.

 

The road of assessing how he fared being hit hard when his opponent will be prime Foreman? Yes, we will I would presume.