Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury vs Jarrell Miller sparring

northpaw · Oct 28, 2024

iceferg said: ↑

I know a lot of people say now that Wilder was always over rated and I personally wouldn't rank him in the top 10 of active fighters at heavyweight.

But I remember not too long ago a bit of back and forth between Wilder and Miller where it was more or less accepted by both sides that Wilder had knocked Miller out in sparring. Miller seemed to even acknowledge his inferiority to Wilder at one of the Saudi pressers where he said to Joshua "I'd put you in hospital and Wilder would put you in a morgue".

Also I remember it was said that during Miller's preparation for come back fights that he was dropped heavily a few times by Fury and he sort of made the excuse (perhaps a genuine excuse) that he wasn't fully fit after the lay off when sparring Fury in a youtube interview.

Anyway just thought this topic was a bit of interesting banter and adds weight to the school of thought that yes Wilder did cherry pick but was also world class and ruined by too many hard fights as right now I'd heavily favour Miller to beat Wilder.
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it's sparring.................

AlwaysFirst · Oct 28, 2024

What Wilder lacks in skill he makes up in power so it’s not hard to believe he drop and KO ppl in sparring, without even trying.

iceferg · Oct 29, 2024

I find it funny how people are playing down sparring stories. Generally speaking they ring true.

Dubois confirmed he KO'd Joshua in sparring and many on here tried to rubbish that even though I heard from a good source that was true. You could see Joshua was terrified of Dubois in the fight week imo and the same thing happened in the ring.

I'm not saying sparring is the be all and end all but just like Joyce beat Dubois early in his career but most likely wouldn't now same can happen with sparring and as well sometimes each fighter may be at different levels of fitness, yeah things can change over the years but sometimes epic spars happen which are basically fights we will never see.

It's not like Golovkin used to get beat up by journeymen in sparring is it. Just like when Klitschko sparred Sam Sexton and rearranged his face so badly Sexton had to cancel being best man at a wedding, you'd never hear about Sexton doing that to Klitschko.

Klitschko it's said used to beat up Joshua and Wilder in spars, early in their careers and most likely if they fought at that time would have done the same in a fight.

AlwaysFirst · Oct 29, 2024

iceferg said: ↑

I find it funny how people are playing down sparring stories. Generally speaking they ring true.

Dubois confirmed he KO'd Joshua in sparring and many on here tried to rubbish that even though I heard from a good source that was true. You could see Joshua was terrified of Dubois in the fight week imo and the same thing happened in the ring.

I'm not saying sparring is the be all and end all but just like Joyce beat Dubois early in his career but most likely wouldn't now same can happen with sparring and as well sometimes each fighter may be at different levels of fitness, yeah things can change over the years but sometimes epic spars happen which are basically fights we will never see.

It's not like Golovkin used to get beat up by journeymen in sparring is it. Just like when Klitschko sparred Sam Sexton and rearranged his face so badly Sexton had to cancel being best man at a wedding, you'd never hear about Sexton doing that to Klitschko.

Klitschko it's said used to beat up Joshua and Wilder in spars, early in their careers and most likely if they fought at that time would have done the same in a fight.
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Sparring is different than a real fight but it can give someone false security. I have an somewhat related story:
20 yrs ago or so I was about to fight my first national championship in my country and I was one of the favorites to win. 2 weeks before my coach got a call from another coach to spar with his guy that was one weight above mine, I thought it was weird because we never sparred before, especially since we wasn’t in the same weight. I went to the sparring with a bad feeling/felt something was off and decided to go “easy and not do my best”. I didn’t get beat up but the other guy definitely got the better of the sparring and because of that he decided to drop down to my weight class. My feelings about the whole situation was correct and at the nationals we was the first fight. His coaches was confident in running through me and win the whole tournament and told my coaches that I better hold my hands up better than in sparring because otherwise it’ll be a short fight. Little did they know that I had planned for this and even though my opponent came out hard and won the first round I came out even harder in the second half of the fight and almost stopped him and won a comfortable decision.
Sparring is sparring and should stay in the gym because it doesn’t always work out the same in a fight.

Btw one of my trainings partners went to a Klitschko camp, pretty much everyone got sent home after being KO’d, except my training partner. Wald actually gave him a bonus after and said he was impressed that he was still standing because he really had tried to take him (and everyone else) out. Unfortunately my training partner is pretty punchy these days…

iceferg · Oct 29, 2024

AlwaysFirst said: ↑

Sparring is different than a real fight but it can give someone false security. I have an somewhat related story:
20 yrs ago or so I was about to fight my first national championship in my country and I was one of the favorites to win. 2 weeks before my coach got a call from another coach to spar with his guy that was one weight above mine, I thought it was weird because we never sparred before, especially since we wasn’t in the same weight. I went to the sparring with a bad feeling/felt something was off and decided to go “easy and not do my best”. I didn’t get beat up but the other guy definitely got the better of the sparring and because of that he decided to drop down to my weight class. My feelings about the whole situation was correct and at the nationals we was the first fight. His coaches was confident in running through me and win the whole tournament and told my coaches that I better hold my hands up better than in sparring because otherwise it’ll be a short fight. Little did they know that I had planned for this and even though my opponent came out hard and won the first round I came out even harder in the second half of the fight and almost stopped him and won a comfortable decision.
Sparring is sparring and should stay in the gym because it doesn’t always work out the same in a fight.

Btw one of my trainings partners went to a Klitschko camp, pretty much everyone got sent home after being KO’d, except my training partner. Wald actually gave him a bonus after and said he was impressed that he was still standing because he really had tried to take him (and everyone else) out. Unfortunately my training partner is pretty punchy these days…
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Good story mate and true it's the ones that dig in and take it who normally end up punchy. I went easy on a lot of people and that will have given them false security but elite pros like this generally speaking are not holding back a great deal.

For example apparently Joyce battered Richard Torrez Jr in sparring years ago. If that happens in a year or two Torrez might beat him but I've little doubt if they'd competed around that time Joyce would have destroyed him.

Cojimar 1946 · Oct 29, 2024

MorvidusStyle said: ↑

The reality is that Wilder was a dumb fighter with explosive speed and power and probably a lot of PED help. He wasn't a finely tuned machine like Wlad, but he was very dangerous. People just don't like admitting that because they love AJ and/or hate Fury.

It's all very simple in the end. If Wilder WASN'T very dangerous, AJ wouldn't have avoided that fight his entire career. Do people realise AJ is now 35? Do people actually think AJ couldn't have made that fight if he wanted to after basically a decade on the circuit? It's laughable.
Wilder is the only one who has ever called for that fight directly in recent years.

Also, Fury wouldn't have tried to get out of the third fight with Wilder (rightly so). The third fight showed how dangerous Wilder is despite being technically inferior to Fury. Fury went on to give Usyk his hardest fight, even a weathered version of Fury.

It's weird how people think you just have to 'use skillz' against Wilder and that makes him a bum and a comfortable W, just because old Wilder got beat a few times now. Fury still got nailed four times with all his skillz and others did have skillz against Wilder too and it wasn't enough.

The AJ Wilder fight was a coin flip, with Wilder having a good chance of doing what Dubious did. That's why Hearn was terrified of that matchup.
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How is AJ not fighting Wilder proof of anything when so many fighters are missing from his resume?

iceferg · Oct 30, 2024

Cojimar 1946 said: ↑

How is AJ not fighting Wilder proof of anything when so many fighters are missing from his resume?
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Honestly when it comes to AJ I think his resume gets far too much praise. People used to harp on about how great it is basically reciting Eddie Hearn's bile. Outside of Klitschko and Povetkin it is very weak in my opinion and none of his wins outside that would be threatening the top 10 of today's division.

Cojimar 1946 · Oct 30, 2024

iceferg said: ↑

Honestly when it comes to AJ I think his resume gets far too much praise. People used to harp on about how great it is basically reciting Eddie Hearn's bile. Outside of Klitschko and Povetkin it is very weak in my opinion and none of his wins outside that would be threatening the top 10 of today's division.
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I don't like how Wilder and Fury apologists keep citing Joshua ducking them in an attempt to hype them up. Hopefully with the loss to Dubois Joshua's stock has fallen to the point where Joshua ducking them is no longer seen as a positive.

Even if Joshua was ducking Wilder and Fury there were plenty of other guys for them to fight like Zhang, Joyce, Kabayel, Bakole, Hrgovic, Dubois, etc. You can't blame Joshua's ducking for their crappy resumes

iceferg · Oct 31, 2024

Cojimar 1946 said: ↑

I don't like how Wilder and Fury apologists keep citing Joshua ducking them in an attempt to hype them up. Hopefully with the loss to Dubois Joshua's stock has fallen to the point where Joshua ducking them is no longer seen as a positive.

Even if Joshua was ducking Wilder and Fury there were plenty of other guys for them to fight like Zhang, Joyce, Kabayel, Bakole, Hrgovic, Dubois, etc. You can't blame Joshua's ducking for their crappy resumes
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Not using it to big them up but put the fact out Joshua isn't as great as he's made out to be and neither is his resume. Whyte was built up to be some sort of all time great by Hearn and Joshua nuthuggers which probably includes yourself. Fury annihilated Whyte easily in a routine win, suddenly it was seen as a crap routine defense even though Fury beat Whyte in his prime.

Cojimar 1946 · Nov 1, 2024

iceferg said: ↑

Not using it to big them up but put the fact out Joshua isn't as great as he's made out to be and neither is his resume. Whyte was built up to be some sort of all time great by Hearn and Joshua nuthuggers which probably includes yourself. Fury annihilated Whyte easily in a routine win, suddenly it was seen as a crap routine defense even though Fury beat Whyte in his prime.
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Joshua and Hearn have little to do with Fury's resume being extremely poor relative to guys like Tyson, Holmes who beat 3-4 times the amount of contenders Fury has.

If Fury loses the Usyk rematch what is his case for cracking the to 20 aside from hypothetical H2H speculation?

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