I think Canelo has the style to beat Beterbiev if the stars align.

Smoochie · Oct 31, 2024

Clenelolose needs to understand he isn't suited for light-heavy

Mickc · Oct 31, 2024

I think it’s more a case of Canelo seeing stars if he ever does fight Beterbiev,but then again full props to Canelo if he actually does take the Beterbiev fight .

Ph33rknot · Oct 31, 2024

I kind of get what your saying but Canelo ain't got the quick feet Bivol dose so he'd have to stand and trade with the bigger man

Serge · Oct 31, 2024

Ginger wanted nothing to do with to do with a prime Beterbiev. He dropped that WBO LHW strap like it was molten lead and ducked back down to a graveyard division to become ''undisputed'' (whilst shamelessly ducking his greatest threat and the second best at that weight in Benavidez) after cherrypicking Kovalev's shot concussed drunk ghost because he knew Beterbiev would've pounded him into a quivering heap.

He won't go anywhere near Benavidez for love nor money. Nor Morrell and I suspect he's going to duck the new Cubano boogeyman on the block in Osleys Iglesias too.

He has no interest in facing the best or the actual legit threats. Hence why he's sending offers to MW Hamzah Sheeraz who isn't even a world champion at 160 yet, let alone 168. Very good fighter but he's not a SMW, nor a world champion and he's inexperienced at the top level

HolDat · Oct 31, 2024

Threads like this severely overrate Canelo. His toughest fights were against GGG and Bivol. Fighters w amazing pedigrees. Do we really think Beterbiev's skill, physicality, pace, and power won't be an issue?

jmb1356 · Oct 31, 2024

If Canelo's team thought he could beat Beterbiev, they would have made the fight by now.

HistoryZero26 · Oct 31, 2024

HolDat said: ↑

Threads like this severely overrate Canelo. His toughest fights were against GGG and Bivol. Fighters w amazing pedigrees. Do we really think Beterbiev's skill, physicality, pace, and power won't be an issue?
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I think the reason Canelo would take this fight is everyone expects him to lose and if he lucks out a close win it will be the crown jewel of his career. If he gets KTFO thats sort of the expectation here.

bjl12 · Oct 31, 2024

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Yea but if you believe that the first 2 GGG encounters were "robberies" then you're predisposed to giving any remotely close round to Canelo's opponent, therefore you'd never score a Canelo Beterbiev bout in Canelo's favor because you'll say Beterbiev was throwing more, maybe landing a few more each round and giving him rounds for that despite Canelo being the one with the better overall skill and the one landing the more significant and eye catching shots, as he did against GGG in the first 2 encounters.

Simply put, Canelo's haters score against him because they see Canelo's opponent's arms moving more and they try to count punches as if it's an amateur match and they refuse to see the fact that Canelo is the one landing the better shots, even while throwing less punches. That's what happened against GGG. So you're right Smithy about his ability to beat Beterbiev but if you're still in the GGG robbery camp then you're really not scoring Canelo's matches with any sincerity.
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My guy GGG outworked Canelo in fight 1 and fight 2 was a draw. Fight 1 was a bad decision honestly

tarrant45 · Oct 31, 2024

Canelo has a better chance to beat Beterbiev than he does Bivol for sure, but the problem is Canelo does not have the balls to ever try.

bandeedo · Oct 31, 2024

i called this fight right after the bivol fight. i knew they would go after the fight. i think biev has to ko canelo to win, cause hes not going to outpoint him. and canelo has a titanium head protected by great waist movement. also, canelo might not be able to 1 punch ko biev, but hes really accurate and biev doesnt have great defense. eventually he can crack that nut. bievs best chance is a body shot ko.
i like canelo here.

Grinder · Nov 1, 2024

If you mean getting punished for 12 rounds and then receiving the gift decision, yes, we know, GGG 1 and 2.

Grinder · Nov 1, 2024

shadow111 said: ↑

I sort of explored this in my last post (#17) but I would just say that typically I don't make predictions because boxing is just too unpredictable and I don't like going into a fight with an outcome in mind, because that in my mind causes biased scoring.

Case in point, look how many people boldly predicted GGG would mop the floor with Canelo, the first time, then again in the rematch, then we get to the end of a close fight, and you have people crying robbery because they didn't get their way, because it didn't go how they thought they would.

If you remember, before Canelo fought Bivol, I didn't make a bold prediction but I did favor Bivol as I knew that stylistically it would be difficult for Canelo, especially if he gases. I have always thought that Beterbiev would be an easier fight for Canelo to win a decision against, because Beterbiev's best asset (power) plays right into Canelo's best assets (chin, defense, counter punching). Bivol's best assets (quickness, footwork, punch accuracy, good blocking) were always things that Canelo has trouble with.

I think what Smithy's getting at here with this topic, and I would agree is that, for as good as Beterbiev is, he's sort of tailor made for Canelo if we're honest. And he's pushing 40, he's coming off a fight that most felt he was exposed in despite getting the decision, and the only reason why he did win is probably because Bivol fought too negatively. It's also the same reason why Canelo didn't get the win in the first GGG fight despite landing the better shots (he was moving backwards too much, fighting only in spurts in the mid-rounds, i.e. the judges, aside from Byrd, favored aggression, similar to Bivol vs Beterbiev, too much backward movement despite landing the cleaner more eye catching shots) and why (arguably) Canelo won the rematch (story of the fight, Mexican Style, coming forward, throwing and landing more heavy power punches, etc). Smithy gets this and sees a 40 year old Beterbiev who perhaps is more past it than Canelo at this point, could be the kind of stylistic match that Canelo would prefer at Light Heavyweight. It would be a tremendous opportunity for Canelo and wouldn't it be something if Canelo captures Undisputed at Light Heavyweight vs Beterbiev than he could defend Undisputed against Bivol. I'm not sure it would happen but I would say it is a distinct possibility.
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The fact you believe Canelo won the first fight against GGG shows YDKSAB. Sorry bro.

Grinder · Nov 1, 2024

Regardless of the outcome, this is a fight I would savour, unless Beterbiev had really fallen off the old man cliff. Artur will get the money he deserves for the entertainment he has given, and Canelo will get the beating he deserves for all the drugs, ducks and decisions he's used to lie to us.

soul_survivor · Nov 1, 2024

humbug said: ↑

I think Benavidez could outwork Beterbiev. He’s got the output and the unbridled tenacity to get the points decision.
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I'm still not sold on Benavidez. He's tall, lanky, can throw combinations but doesn't yet look to hit hard enough ,especially at LHW. Btw all this discussion and I'm not sure how much longer Beterbiev even has. One ore fight at 175 as a Bivol rematch? Makes sense but after that he either moves up or retires.

The G-Man · Nov 1, 2024

Those stars would have to be perfectly aligned man.

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