Was Usyk robbed of a KO (Video)

There is no standing count here. A staning count happens when there is no KD. Here there is a KD, so no standing count at all. Standing counts are not allowed in pro boxing (at least under the rules they fought)

 

Then a rope holding the fighter up count, whatever we want to call it.

 

I didn’t prove my own point wrong at all.

If the ref deemed Fury to be at the risk of serious injury, he stops the fight. Simple.

Did the ref expressly deem Fury to be at said risk? No. He ruled a technical KD basing it on criteria that had already existed several times earlier in the round but the ref elected not to rule a KD on those occasions.

There is always the risk of serious injury in boxing and KOs, even when on the cards some time prior to the actual fact, are part of the game.

If a ref wants to spare a fighter from suffering an obviously imminent KO, and again, KOs always invite the risk of serious injury - that’s fine - he stops the fight, averting serious injury - , he doesn’t rule a technical KD as and when it suits him - and ruling a KD as and when it suited him in order to unduly benefit Fury is exactly what the ref did.

The ref saved Fury from being KO’d. Pure and simple.

You also isolated only 1 of my points.

There was also the ref obstructing Usyk assault several times during the round and improperly assisting Fury part way back to his corner.

As I said, it’s not just the individual trees that discredit the ref - it’s the whole damn forest also.

 

The moment the referee called the knockdown was the moment Fury was helplessly laying on the ropes with buckled knees his hands low unable to defend himself. If Usyk was allowed to tee off on Fury at that point that would have been straight up dangerous, because he might just have been caught in limbo not going down to the canvas, the ropes keeping him up, but continuing taking shots.

The referee called it at the perfect moment.

 

Yes you did.

The ref made a call, Fury wasn't at risk of serious injury, he was being held up by the ropes.

As we now know, since we have the power of 20/20 hindsight, Fury didn't suffer a serious injury.

The call was correct

 

That's stupid. The referee ruled a KD when a KD happened. Period. The rest only happens in your mind.

 

Of course Usyk wasn't robbed of a KO.

There's absolutely no rational case to suggest otherwise.

That's just it, though. The Referee so obviously does have the discretionary right to make that call.

 

No, I think Fury was extremely hard done by because he should've received a count the first two times the ropes kept him up but the referee allowed Usyk to keep pummelling him. I'm staggered any neutral person can see it any other way. If a boxer is kept up by the ropes then they are to be given a standard count (not a standing count - there is a difference).

 

I agree. It's a pretty simple concept.

 

Being robbed of a KO is such a strange concept anyway. Usyk won, he wasn't robbed of anything.

If a ref gives an extremely long count, where there's no debate it's too long, a fighter is robbed of KO but that's it.

The only time a ref should be criticised for not stopping a fight is when a fighter suffers a serious injury and the writing was on the wall.

 

No I didn’t.

You’ve switched horses. And not so subtlety.

First you said the call was due to Fury being at risk of serious injury but NOW, you say it was because he was being held up by the ropes - that’s because I put you straight on that fact in my last post.

So now I have to repeat that Fury was held up by the ropes several times prior and the ref didn’t call a KD.

The ref only called a KD when Fury had no where else to bounce to and Usyk was about to finish him.

At that point, the ref should’ve let it go, just as he had let it go prior to that (you keep missing this point) OR stop the fight - the latter and correct option averting serious injury -

Very simple.

The call was incorrect.

Also, I see see that you’re still not addressing the other questionable things that the ref did.

It’s not stupid.

It’s stupid to ignore that the ref didn’t rule a KD when the very same criteria that he based his eventual call on had already existed several times prior to.

So when a technical KD occurred several times prior to, the ref didn’t make the call but only chose to when Fury was about to be finished off.

Of course there absolutely is a rational case to suggest otherwise, as I’ve already laid out MM.

That’s not “just it” either. I didn’t say that referees weren’t bestowed the “right”.

“As and when it suits him” obviously meant without any reasonable deference to criteria and consistent adherence to same.

A ref could deliberately deliver a slow count of say 20 seconds to allow a fighter to arise.

You wouldn’t be genuine in suggesting that the referee’s conduct in the above scenario was okay simply due to it being within his “discretionary powers”.

The referee’s conduct in the above scenario would be heavily called into question with his discretionary powers being viewed as having been misused and abused.

Therefore, the referees so called “right” to call as he “sees” it quite obviously isn’t the be all end answer to the question.

You’ve never interpreted any referee misusing and abusing his discretionary powers or applying them inequitably?

Examine the ref’s lack of consistency just in the one round. Those inconsistencies have already been highlighted and they all favoured Fury.

Yes, he was improperly saved from a KO.

 

Simple to perceive as correct if you’re a die hard Fury fan.

 

Of course it would’ve been dangerous - that’s when you stop a fight. Not issue a technical KD that you didn’t call several times prior to when it was just as applicable - the ref deemed Fury as being down, not helpless but you clearly thought he was helpless - correct, so stop the fight.

 

Of course it would’ve been dangerous - that’s when you stop a fight. Not issue a technical KD that you didn’t call several times prior to when it was just as applicable - the ref deemed Fury as being down, not helpless but you clearly thought he was helpless - correct, so stop the fight.

 

You're really off base here. I haven't changed horses at all, I'm on the same horse I rode in on.

I'll go slowly for you though, out of respect.

The only time a referee can make a bad call by not stopping a fight, is if the fighter suffers a serious injury.

The referee has to make a call as to whether or not a fighter is going to get seriously injured, he made his call, Fury wasn't about to get seriously injured, but he was being held up by the ropes.

A knockdown was correctly called and as we saw Fury finished the fight, he didn't end up unconscious and seriously injured.

There really is no debate except those who are genuinely worried about Furys health.