Was Usyk robbed of a KO (Video)

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  1. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe ultimately the job of the referee is to protect the fighters. He has to make decisions on a case by case basis. There is a certain art to it. You can’t turn what is an art into a science.

    There are plenty of examples of fighters getting stoped on their feet it on the ropes. But then again every 8 count can potentially be ruled a stoppage. Then just do away with the 8 count and let them fight in until they are unconscious or give up.

    I think Fury was able to continue the fight. But in those very seconds he was hanging on those ropes it was irresponsible to let him take more shots. So that’s what the 8 count is for. To reset the fight for the sake of safety, meanwhile still rewarding the fighter that did the damage. If Fury really had been out Usyk would have been able to finish him off after the 8 count.
     
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  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ok
     
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  3. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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  4. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is the best example of why the referee made the right call in the Fury vs Usyk fight.
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unfortunately, the arguments you lay out are a fine example of how to put an irrational case.

    Firstly, your prior claim that Fury was saved from an "obviously imminent KO" is a speculative interpretation masquerading as fact. Moreover, the Referee's job is not to predict the outcome but to act in real time based on what they see.

    It should be clear to anyone reading your take on this matter that you believe the Referee responded to the facts of the situation---facts, that is, as defined by you.

    Your response to my point about the Referee's discretion is surprising, to say the least.

    "As and when it suits him" is literally what discretion is. It's the Referee's job to adapt decisions based on the fight's context, not to follow a rigid set of criteria detached from what's happening in the ring. Conjuring up imaginary criteria to which a Referee is absolutely bound is the exact opposite of discretion.

    Your argument for "criteria consistency" from the Referee:

    - Is based on an assumption of inconsistency without any objective proof;
    - Overlooks that circumstances change from moment to moment in a fight;
    - Ignores the potential advantage afforded to Usyk by the referee not calling a knockdown earlier, allowing him to maintain offensive momentum.

    The Referee's decision wasn't arbitrary—it was context-driven. Unless you can show clear evidence of deliberate bias, claiming misuse of discretion is, at best, highly speculative.

    The analogy of a 20-second count misrepresents the nature of Referee discretion. Equating it to a clear rule violation is a false equivalence that fundamentally misunderstands what discretion actually entails.

    Your question, "You've never interpreted any referee misusing and abusing his discretionary powers or applying them inequitably?" is immaterial. Whether Referees have misused discretion in other cases is irrelevant here. The burden is on you to provide evidence of misconduct in this specific fight, not to rely on speculation or unrelated examples.


    In summary, you're conflating context-driven discretion with inconsistency. The Referee's role is to interpret the action in real time, which can naturally lead to different decisions based on the fighters' positioning, momentum, and visible damage. The fact that some calls seemed to favor Fury is your interpretation, not objective evidence of bias. Realistically, one cannot simultaneously accept that Referees have discretion and then claim any use of it that doesn't fit their narrative is an abuse of power.

    So, again—that's just it: The referee does have the discretionary right to make those calls based on how they see the moment unfold, which is precisely what happened in round nine. Your claim of favoritism is based on your subjective reading of events, but different interpretations are inevitable in a dynamic situation like this.

    It’s when stating one's case as an absolute version of the truth that irrationality becomes apparent.
     
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  6. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Your point about the ref not ruling a KD until Fury was about to be finished off doesn't support the idea that Usyk was robbed of a KO.

    If anything, you could say the judge didn't correctly call a KD earlier when he should have. If that had happened it's possible Usyk would have never been in a position to finish Fury off. He allowed Usyk to tee off on Fury several times instead of calling a KD. Then he finally made a correct call and called a KD.

    That didn't help Fury at all, on the contrary.

    You are basically claiming "if the ref had been consistent about never calling KDs when the ropes held up Fury, Usyk would have won by KO". So you are banking on the ref ****ing up every time rather than him ****ing up every time except once.

    Makes no sense.
     
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  7. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The ref also stopped Usyk from actually finishing Fury off at the perfect moment, but he started an 8 count instead lol and then proceeded to hinder Usyks attempts to get at Fury. The ref massively influenced the action in that round.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Belly's promoter is Turki's business partner and has been chosen by him along with E-Hearn to help spearhead the Saudi takeover

    Belly won a very controversial decision over in Saudi in his previous fight

    One of the judges robbed Usyk over in Saudi in the AJ rematch

    One of the judges robbed Usyk over there in the Belly fight

    No wonder people are suspicious
     
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  9. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It didn't surprise me, because Rummy is always favoring Western fighters over Eastern fighters, he's biased in my opinion. He had also claimed AJ would beat Usyk.

    In the rematch, not even the ref won't be able to save Fury.
     
  10. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, right, save a fighter from getting knocked out by interfering and giving him a 10 count to recover.

    Usyk was definitely robbed of a knock out victory.
     
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  11. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not true. Years from now, people will look at fighters' resume and think "That was just a split decision win for Usyk, not such a great win", although they won't know Usyk was robbed of a knock out victory.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    Or they can just watch the fight lol
     
  13. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm also an Usyk fan. Had the roles been reversed my opinion would not change.

    Fury was falling and got caught on the ropes. It was correctly ruled a KD. End of.

    Also just because (in your opinion) the referee missed the right call the first time, doesn't mean he is forbidden from making the right call later in the round. That's absurd.
     
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  14. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Fight should have been stopped. I don’t think I've ever seen a fight were a fighter was knocked into the ropes 3 times in the same round, during the same assault and the fight not stopped.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    But Fury didn't get knocked, out, he didn't suffer serious injury.

    This minority shouting for a ref stopping a fight where the fight finished with both guys on their feet is just insane to me.
     
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