Am i crazy for thinking Ennis got a total gift last night ?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Karen only landed more power punches in round four and 12. I imagine that you aren’t scoring body punches heavily enough. The judges aren’t obligated to keep competitive fights close on the cards. If the one round judge chose round four to give to Karen, it’s not the worst card out there.
     
  2. LrryMrchntsFlsk

    LrryMrchntsFlsk Active Member Full Member

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    There was no robbery. Karen took a knee on one of the rounds. He was deducted a point on one of the rounds and it was good fight in my opinion. The reason Karen was holding excessively is because he was getting tagged good.

    Boots isn't the next greatest thing but he does pack a punch and Karen was aware of Boot's power. With that being said, I thought Karen was easily landing as well, but he never seemed to hurt Boots. I felt the right man was given the decision.
     
  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Are you seriously going to justify those scorecards, especially the 119-107?
     
  4. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    I gave Ennis 5 rounds, but with some close ones - I have no issue with anyone giving him 7 and scoring it 115:111 for him.
    No argument on the point that judges - at least 2 of them -were not even trying to score it accurately.

    Maybe He landed more punches indeed - but no way those official compubox statistics are accurate. It's just guy(or guys) pushing buttons, making subjective judgement of what lands and what doesn't.
    I looked back at round 2. They recorded 4 punches for Chukh in entire round. That's just stupid.
     
  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm sorry I don't agree the fight was in Ennis's hometown he certainly benefitted with some very favourable scorecards I can't see how you can justify 119-107.
     
  6. LrryMrchntsFlsk

    LrryMrchntsFlsk Active Member Full Member

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    Boots
    I never said the score cards were accurate. I just stated that the fight wasn't a robbery, however, I do feel that Boots deserved the decision. Boots was trying to get Karen out of there, but it became apparent around the 7th round that Karan wasn't getting knocked out.
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To answer the question, yes. Sorry.

    I see no path for a Chukhadzhian victory given the way the fight unfolded. He took the first, fourth, ninth, eleventh and twelth on my card and a couple of others were close enough that I might have scored them 10-10 on other systems. Then again, the first and ninth could have reasonably swung to Ennis. And, when you factor in the KD and the point deduction, the absolute best that Ghukhadzhian is a draw. And even that is a stretch of plasticine proportions, imo.

    Karen definitely over-performed and Ennis certainly under-performed, and psychologically that may have affected a lot of observers. But Ennis still threw more, landed more, and landed harder and cleaner in enough rounds to carry them on my card to earn the decision.

    115-111 or 114-112 Ennis seems about right to me. I had it 115-111 Boots, personally. Scorecards were generally too wide, but that doesn't mean Boots didn't win this fight.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Not at all. What's utterly crazy is that we've seen narratives created after both their fights now which have little basis in reality

    1. The first fight was a shutout. Not true at all. No question Smokey Boots won wide. Karen, whilst displaying excellent footwork, very good defence and skills, fought very negatively and spent most of the night on his bike running. However, when he actually stood still for long enough to let his hands go in a bunch of the rounds he, as he was for much of the fight last night, was getting the better of the action and IIRC he won 3 rounds, possibly maybe even 4.

    2. The rematch was a conclusive victory for Smokey Boots where many of those who scored it for him are being ''fair'' by acknowledging he got hit too much and that Karen was more competitive than the first fight but that it still wasn't close at all.

    Again, this is completely untrue. Karen was extremely competitive, was tagging Smokey Boots with ease with clean eye catching blows all night, landed more of them in many of the rounds and did the better work in those rounds than Smokey did, and he won at least 6 rounds if not more. The worst case scenario for him is he won a bare minimum of 5 rounds. Yes, Smokey Boots had plenty of success of his own and he obviously won his fair share or rounds too.

    Yes, he's the harder puncher and he scored a KD. But the KD, the point deduction and the biased commentary have created a false impression of what was actually happening in the ring in each round and Karen's better work in many of them is being ignored.

    I saw someone say the commentators were riding Karen which is comical. What actually happened is he was having so much success and tagging Smokey Boots so cleanly with eye catching shots that it was contradicting the narrative they wanted to, were supposed to, and were in the process of creating and they had but no choice other than to acknowledge it because the shots were so clean and eye catching. But even then they still created a narrative it was a wide win for Smokey Boots, especially that clown Mannix.

    Did you hear any of them criticize the scorecards? Even if they did mention it they should've been outraged by them and the disservice they did to Karen's effort who travelled over to Smokey Boots' backyard and fought on a deck which couldn't have been stacked heavier against him with the good old obligatory home ref and three home judges for a world title fight with not even a single neutral official in sight.

    And the ref and judges are clearly corrupt as hell. Those scorecards were scandalous and the same ref who deducted a point from Karen for excessive holding not only literally allowed Haney to hold like crazy to an egregious extent against Garcia and did everything within his power to save him from a KO defeat but he didn't even issue him with a hard warning for it.

    And he didn't deduct a point from Smokey Boots for low blows despite many of them being vicious and he still didn't after he did it again after having giving him a hard warning for it like he did to Karen after doing the same.
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Let me just add

    I think Karen is a bad style match up for Smokey Boots and that the later won't encounter anyone with his combination of excellent footwork, chin, durability and skill or if so very rarely. I still think Smokey Boots is the goods and that he will fair much better against different styles and just because he struggled against Karen doesn't mean he won't be able to beat the top guys at 147 and maybe even up at 154 albeit there are some big punchers up at 154 like Crawford, Madrimov, Ortiz, Bohachuk. I think he probably beats the later but the others are tougher to call.
     
  10. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Your scorecard is accurate.
     
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  11. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Ennis ate a lot of shots and Karen was strong at the end of the fight.
     
  12. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Boots is more bark than bite but he'll be live for years to come unless he gets cracked
     
  13. Third_Brotha

    Third_Brotha New Member Full Member

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    Some of you act as if he didn't walk through shots from a known puncher in Villa a few fights ago. Boots seems to take a good punch.
     
  14. Third_Brotha

    Third_Brotha New Member Full Member

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    None of those live punch trackers compubox or its contemporaries are accurate at all. It doesn't even have usefulness. Just two guys tabulating what they thought they saw in the spur of the moment. Truely accurate punch stats come after video analysis of a fight.
     
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  15. Shazzar23

    Shazzar23 Demetrius Bivol Full Member

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    I reckon he gets cracked. I watched his in-ring interview in the Avanesyan fight, and compared to this one, and he sounded bad. In the Avan interview he was talking normal, in this one, his speech was slurred, he was talking out the side of his mouth and he couldn't seem to gather his thoughts. He sounded heavily concussed to me. Chuk isn't a big puncher and looked considerably smaller than Boots. If Chuk can crack him like this, he will eventually get found out.
     
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