Leonard-Hearns II

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  1. jabber74

    jabber74 Active Member Full Member

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    I finally got around to watching this a second time. Over the years this fight has gained a reputation as a robbery that should have went to Hearns, so I wanted to look at it again and score it.

    I had it 9-3 in rounds for Leonard.

    Some thoughts about the fight:
    There were a lot of rounds difficult to score. There were times I was almost going to give the round to Hearns, then he would blow it in the end.
    Hearns had two big rounds with the knockdowns, but then Leonard also had a couple of big rounds where he had Tommy in serious trouble.
    When Hearns could have followed up and really taken control of some rounds, he just stood there and did nothing.
    I think TH fell short again.
    Had this been a 15 rounder, Ray would have stopped him again.
    I'm aware Leonard has said he feels he lost this fight, but I think SRL being the kind of guy he is, was his own harshest critic, was embarrassed by the knockdowns, and because of that is embarrassed by his performance.
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    It was the Steak I tells ya.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm all for different opinions but I'm sorry 9-3 for Leonard is a ludicrous scorecard quite frankly it's horrendous and just plain wrong.

    I've never seen a single boxing fan have Leonard winning the fight let alone winning it by 9-3 probably one of the strangest comments I've ever seen.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1 Even
    2 Hearns
    3 Hearns 10-8 knockdown
    4 Leonard
    5 Leonard
    6 Hearns
    7 Hearns
    8 Hearns
    9 Leonard
    10 Leonard
    11 Hearns 10-8 knockdown
    12 Leonard

    115-112 Hearns

    I'd love to know what 9 rounds you gave to Leonard at a stretch I could maybe see 6 rounds for Leonard but no more than that and mathematically Leonard would still lose the fight on points.
     
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  5. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Hearns should have been given the Nod in the second fight.
     
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  6. ElFrutero_46

    ElFrutero_46 Hey lithen right Full Member

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    This fight is kind of like Bivol (Sugar) Beterviev (Hitman). do you favour clean punches or ring control?
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Hearns is the tall one in the gold trunks.
     
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  8. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I haven't watched it in a long time but I remember thinking Hearns won for sure at the end of the 12th round and being pissed at the decision when it was announced.
     
  9. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Did Mark Ant highjack jabbers account?
     
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My take from 4-plus years ago on the What Fights Did You Watch/Score Today thread. Narrowly to Hearns:

    Ray Leonard vs. Thomas Hearns II on June 12, 1989, scheduled for 12 rounds in front of a crowd of 15,300 at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas for the WBC super middleweight crown.

    Leonard, age 33, entered 35-1 (25) and weighs 160. He is guaranteed $13M.

    Hearns, 30, enters 46-3 (38) and weighs 162 1/2. His guarantee is $11M.

    Leonard is a 3-1 favorite at the sports books. Odds on a draw are 15-1.

    Interestingly, this is Ray’s fifth fight since their first meeting in 1981. Hearns has had 15 fights since that fight

    This time, Hearns wears the gold Kronk trunks while Leonard is clad in red and white striped attire.

    Round 1: Hearns 10-9 — Leonard moves around as in the first fight for about a minute and then settles down to hold his ground; He lands one good right whereas Hearns controls things with is jab and lands a few others blows to take it

    Round 2: Hearns 10-9 — Tommy keeps working the jab and lands a solid right when Ray turns southpaw for a moment; Leonard throwing one shot at a time

    Round 3: Hearns 10-8 — The Hit man lands a right that stuns Sugar Ray and puts him down with a glancing follow-up to the top of the head; Hearns rakes him along the ropes as he goes for the KO

    Round 4: Hearns 10-9 — Several good exchanges, with Leonard starting to take over late in the round, but by that time Hearns has done enough to nip it

    Round 5: Leonard 10-8 — Ray stuns Tommy with a right hand followed by a big hook and batters him the rest of the round

    Round 6: Hearns 10-9 — Ray takes off the first 2 minutes, doing basically nothing after expending so much energy going for the stoppage the round before; Hearns wins the round by being busier

    Round 7: Leonard 10-9 — Hearns comes on strong in the final minute but Leonard did more, especially to the body, over the first two minutes to put this one in his pocket

    Round 8: Leonard 10-9 — Close round, not much happening but Ray is a tad busier

    Round 9: Leonard 10-9 — This one is close until he last 30 seconds, when Leonard comes on strong to grab it

    Round 10: Leonard 10-9 — Leonard has a big early part of the round and pulls even on my scoreboard

    Round 11: Hearns 10-8 — Hearns tags Sugar with a big right and follows up with a left hook and another to put Ray on the canvas again; Tommy follows up on his advantage and pours it on for a big round

    Round 12: Leonard 10-9 — The Motor City Cobra starts well but Leonard storms back and takes over, landing a lot of hard shots to the head and body in his last stand

    Result: Draw

    Cards: 113-112 Hearns, 113-112 Leonard, 112-112 even

    My card: Hearns 113-112

    Of note: The tale of the tape for the first fight credited Hearns with an 8-inch reach advantage at 78 1/2 inches; this tale of the tape his reach is half an inch shorter and Ray’s wingspan has grown 4 inches, haha.

    Hearns accepts the verdict but Ray later admits his rival should have gotten the decision.

    Fun fight. They aren’t the same as they were in their primes but are no less competitive and committed to winning. Bravo.
     
  11. Smoochie

    Smoochie G.R.E.B G.O.A.T Full Member

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  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Tommy wuz robbed!!
    But to be fair he seemed okay about the decision.
    I think he knew that most watching Had him winning, he was cool with that.
     
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  13. The one

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    Classic.
     
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  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    115-112 Hearns for me.
     
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