If shot Fury beats peak Usyk, where does he rank?

How is it any better than Dubois beating Hrgovic? Hrgovic was undefeated with a win over a guy who subsequently knocked Wilder out.

Hype aside there's little to suggest Wilder was ever better than Hrgovic, maybe not even Miller.

 

Fury's should have fought more guys ranked in the top 10 period. If not AJ, Parker, or Zhang, or Kabayel, or Hrgovic, or Bakole, etc. Plenty of guys to choose from. If he can't get a fight with Joshua, fight someone else.

Dubois already has a strong case for having a better career than Wilder and beating Wilder is Fury's main claim to fame.

What Wilder win matches Dubois AJ demolition? Or even the Hrgovic win?

 

hilarious.

 

Lol, beating a past prime version of any fighter is not “like” beating the prime version.

It’s also arguable that even if Usyk and Fury were on par in terms of sheer physical deterioration, said deterioration would impact on Usyk’s effective game more so - given the greater work rate he has needed and displayed when fighting against the bigger boys.

 

Why?

I have just delineated it for you.

 

An old wlad, who had only one fight after, a one trick pony who can’t box to save his life, and who again? Anyways no need to reply but you see where this leads, you can question the resumes to the current top but suggesting an automatic leapfrog over someone that has just almost stopped you, who actually became undisputed in a fifth of the fights at HW …. Not sure I’m fully on board with that. Just my personal opinion

 

Tbh it would depend on how Fury beats Usyk (if he does, that is).

I guess the main argument is Usyks lack of heavyweight fights. Despite the quality of the opponents Usyk has only faced 5 heavyweights. Without more depth and exposure to other fighters it's hard to cement him being the clear number 1 IF Fury beats him in the rematch in a dominant fashion.

Of course Usyk remains the clear favorite, and if he wins none of this matters. Would be nice to see him fight some different fighters though.

 

agree the manner of the win could be a factor. Fury had every physical advantage and will still do in December. I won’t begrudge usyk retiring after this though, name any of those you call great from yesteryears and count how many were having tough fights at 38 against folks having every physical advantage. Maybe foreman? Also isn’t his lack of heavyweight fights simply down to going straight for the titles and boxing politics? Anyways hope it’s a good fight.

 

except he has ducked everyone who wasn't ancient or a bum his entire career. he ducked ustinov, then whined to the media about ustinov showing up in shape. he claimed it was a conspiracy by the klitschko's, haye, and chisora to get rid of him. most pathetic thing i've ever heard of.

 

lol Fury still has fans?

 

Giving Usyk his due? Lol.

Sure, simply tick the purportedly respectful boxes, saying Olek is a great fighter and the better man won before proceeding into myriad excuses to argue why Fury could’ve done so much better on the night if not for this, that and the other……

Even viewed in the frame of and relative to his HW career, Usyk has slowed and doesn’t have the same indefatigable stamina…..he’s adjusted his game accordingly - boxing IQ compensating for his own measure of deterioration.

 

Whose to say Breidis doesn't beat Fury especially the version Usyk fought?

Lerena is a former cruiserweight and he dropped Dubois 3 times and did better than Joshua

And Gassiev hits harder than many heavyweights despite being a cruiserweight

 

Keyword being "former". It's a different game at heavyweight.

 

It's amazing how many people ignore the impact extra weight has on speed.