Comparing Roy jones Jr at LHW to Artur beterbiev is crazy talk

Lol ok. Beterbiev would destroy that midget.

 

Beterbiev would destroy the former Olympian yes? The man who defeated James Toney twice and Eric "Tarver conqueror" Harding. Griffin himself also managed to go 12 vs Tarver at the age of 33.

Can you give me the contact information for your marijuana dealer? It sounds like he is selling really good stuff.

Beterbiev couldn't even defeat Bivol, there was a reason why middleweight Canelo chose Bivol as an opponent by the way, the reason had everything to do with the flaws of the eastern european athlete. Canelo went up all the way from welterweight to LHW, when should we expect similar accomplishments from Bivol? Is he currently in negotiations with any of the heavyweight contenders for an upcoming event?

Would you care to post any more of your ridiculous opinions on the matter?

 

Griffin was a very good & somewhat awkward little LHW.. but he wasn't anything special.. those Toney fights are higly contentious.. for me did not beat Toney, who threw and landed more shots in both fights.. & Toneys legacy at 175 isn't much to write home about anyway.. the Harding fight he officially lost that one although you could argue he edged it.. he also lost to Tarver, Hoye & Gonzalez .. & then Glen Johnson finished him off.. so all in all he's a fighter who looks to have some great wins but if you delve a little deeper into those wins* and look at his resume as a whole he doesn't stack up as a great fighter. Good, just not great. Michalkzewski & Jones were wiping the floor with most of these fighters, i dont see Beterbiev or Bivol as lesser fighters than DM. And Canelo didn't GO all the way up from WW.. he GREW up.. because he started boxing professionally at a very young age. Ive no doubt had many super middle weights and light heavy weights started boxing professionally at the age Canelo did they too would have started out at the lighter weights. Beterbiev DID beat Bivol, Bivol had the will beaten out of him, watch it again. I wouldn't have minded at a draw but I think the decision was fair. And hes 40 ffs cut him some slack..

 

Gvodzyk is an Olympic bronze medalist who got destroyed by Beterbiev.

Beterbiev is pushing 40 now, at 33 he was making Andre Ward question retirement.

Good marijuana wouldn't make me think a 5 ft 7 Montell Griffin could beat Bivol, Kovalev, Pascal, Hopkins, Gvodzyk, Ward, Chad Dawson... well he lost to Dawson, let alone Artur Beterbiev. Maybe crack cocaine might make me think 5 ft 7 Griffin beats Beterbeiv but not good marijuana.

5 ft 7 Griffin couldn't even last one round vs Roy Jones Jr.

And here you are praising Griffin for beating former Middleweight James Toney but want to discredit Bivol for owning Canelo because Canelo was a Middelweight. You should be the one being asked about your dealer not you asking anyone else for their dealer here.

Eastern European boxers have done very well in boxing since pro boxing has become promoted there.

Canelo started boxing age 15. He fought at Welterweight at age 19 and slowly moved as high as Light Heavyweight. Bivol at age 19 was competing at Amatuer light middleweight and grew into a light heavyweight. Usyk age 19 was in the middleweight division and grew into a heavyweight.

The most ridiculous opinion so far in this thread has been you suggesting 5 ft 7 Montell Griffin would never lose to Artur Beterbiev.... thats gonna be hard to beat by the rest of us.

 

Ahhh yes. The amazing LHW James Toney. The guy who lost to P4p great Drake Thadzi.

Beterbiev beat Bivol. Go check Boxrec man. And he was almost 40 compared to Griffins 33 against Tarver which seems to be impressive to you.

 

The great Antonio Tarver LOL that'll do me
What did he ever do besides expose Roy's glass jaw? He needed to be on the juice to beat Danny Green.

 

Beterbiev went life and death with Bivol and Yarde and you guys are still debating over what prime Roy Jones does to him? Come on. Bivol is literally nothing compared to Roy Jones.

 

39 year old Beterbiev dominates Bivol in the championship rounds.

39 year old Roy Jones Jr was getting clowned on by Calzaghe.

If you want to talk about Roy's prime then we gotta keep the playing field level by judging Beterbiev by the same metric.

 

Fighters age differently. Has Beterbiev dropped off visibly from his prime? Did he ever rely on speed and reflexes like Roy did?

 

Old age, knee surgery and ring rust did seem to have had an affect on Beterbiev's performance vs Bivol, in my opinion his performance level did drop. But yes not at the same level as to what happened to Roy's performances after Ruiz.

All fighters decline in speed and reflexes as they age. But fighters like Beterbiev, Hopkins, Usyk, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Leonard, Duran are able to adjust their styles as they age while fighters like Roy and Naseem Hamed become shot as soon as their athleticism goes.

 

When would you say Beterbiev's prime was?

It was mentioned in this thread that the one against Tavoris Cloud was the best version. But that was against an opponent coming off of 2 losses and retired afterwards. Jones' win over Virgil Hill(who arguably had his career best win before losing to DM and went on to win a title at cruiser after losing to Roy) is dismissed because he was coming off of a loss, so I don't see a win over Cloud carrying much weight in a discussion about a fantasy match up against a past champion.

His best power display was the win against Joe Smith Jr. But that fight was right in between his fights against Yarde and Browne and he showed plenty weaknesses in those fights that a prime RJJ would certainly exploit.

Was it his run in the 2011 world championship and 2012 olympics? Some say he was unlucky not to get the decision against Usyk in 2011, but he was also lucky to get the decision against Michael Hunter in 2012. Besides, these were 3 round fighs in a different weight class, with different size of gloves and different scoring system.

So going by Beterbiev against Gvozdyk vs Jones during his LHW run, I feel confident in my pick of Roy by competitive decision.

 

I know this hurts a lot of Jones fans but the fact is is his two main contenders in his era were Tarver & Michalkzewski .. he lost twice to one of them and refused to fight the other one.. yes he bulked to HW & weighed in at 193 pounds when he fought Ruiz, which is only 18 pounds more than the LHW limit. He must have cut some weight to make 175 anyway, he was probably 190 entering camps... so is the weight loss being his downfall a myth? I think it is to an extent.. especially when you consider that a few months after that fight he beat Tarver .. so the idea that he was shot is bollocks.. in the second fight he would have had more time to re adjust to 175 again too. I don't think he was prime no boxer is at 34/5 but the greats are able to adjust somewhat & Jones couldn't. Beterbiev fought & beat his two main rivals & wasn't getting embarrassed by Calzaghe & Johnson in his late 30s. Jones was a special talent but he wasn't as good as some people like to make him out, freakish athlete yes but not the greatest boxer ever, not even close.

 

Don't think anyone is in their physical prime at 39 years old coming off inactivity and a knee surgery. So to say RJJ smokes Beterbiev based on the Bivol performance is unjust. Personally I think the Beterbiev that fought Bivol could still beat a prime RJJ.

When was his physical prime? Well most men experience their physical prime in their 20s to mid 30s. The Cloud fight up until Gvodzyk would be my estimate for Beterbiev and he did look more physically imposing in those years than he did against Bivol. I also suspect ring rust was a major factor vs Bivol, hence why Beterbiev started slower and finished stronger. So I imagine Beterbiev will perform better if they rematch next year, hopefully they do.

 

He obviously wasn't in his physical peak. Maybe Bivol wasn't either, aging works different for each human being. It's all subjective. Being in your physical peak doesn't always correlate to being at your best as a boxer either.

Personally, Bivol/Beterbiev went the way I expected it would for the last half a decade, except for the part AB getting the decision. It's also how I'd expect Jones/Beterbiev would go prime vs prime, with Roy having to get off the canvas once or twice but being fresher championship rounds(compared to Bivol against Artur) and grabbing the decision.