I think Povetkin is a bit overrated

The list of heavyweight s never to win a title is vast, compared to those that did.

It would take a complex argument, to even rank somebody top twenty on that list.

However I would be very confident in saying, that he was he best heavyweight of his era, who was not named Klitschko.

He was the standout, outside that particular family.

 

Povetkin is a so overrated boxer on here by many. He has never impressed me

 

Wills is a contender for the number 1 position which is why I considered Povetkin a lock at 2 thru 5, tho he still could be number.

Langford lost an awful lot at heavyweight for all the success he had.

Folley had the same sort of wins against the A- heavies that Alex had but, honestly, the majority of those fighters impress me less, and he lost to some scrubs.

Quarry had skills very much like Povetkin but not the ring IQ or quite the physical talent. Close but no cigar for me.

Young was a gimmick fighter, no depth. That's a reach.

Povetkin's ledger was stacked. Even his break-in fights were high level, Ahunanya, Bango, and old but serviceable Donald. It wasn't all killer, but there was no filler. Beyond that, the Chambers win is underrated. He stopped a very promising career and an extremely clever, undefeated fighter's career in his tracks, a guy who would go on to win against very good opponents but never regain the momentum Alex stole. Alex's last 14 fights had an average of 1.7 losses on their ledger. I know, it's the modern era but he certainly wasn't cherry-picking. It took the best of the best to beat him in his something close to his prime in Wladimir. Beyond that, his wheels were falling off but he still put in ace performances.

Povetkin's most brutal opponent was Teddy Atlas, who royally screwed his career, stalled out his fast progression and had him fighting the wrong style.

 

Povetkin is not a shoo-in against any of the above-mentioned heavyweights, IMO.

 

Between 75 and 77, Young beat Foreman and Lylex2, and ran Ali and Norton close without losing any other fights. It's a better gimmick than Povetkin had.

Quarry had a better resume. I don't think he was a better fighter.

If you don't like Langford, I'm sure you could still find a place for McVea and Jeanette ahead of Povetkin. Maybe even Norfolk depending on which of his fights count at heavyweight.

Povetkin beat three serious contenders (Chambers, Chagaev, and Whyte) over a span of like 15 years. Chambers was a blown up cruiser (ditto Huck and Perez), Chagaev was post hepatitis and post getting shutdown by Wlad, and Whyte was trash waiting for his cash out against Fury. Other than that, he barely beat Huck and he caught Perez cold. The rest were basically top 30 guys. But the part you're avoiding is that he failed in his big fights. He didn't win a second against Wlad and got stopped by Joshua. There's no effort like Mercer against Lewis, Williams against Holmes, Ortiz against Wilder, Shavers against Ali, etc. That's why he never won a title.

 

I always rated him as the 3rd best of the K2 era but he didnt fight many top guys. I wonder how he would have done against Ibragimov, Peter, Haye, Thompson....probably some competitive fights.

 

A mentally destroyed fighter and a guy who turned pro at 30. Meh. It's not better than Povetkin stopping live technically elite fighters is so much more impressive.

If defeats count, perhaps. Jerry was a very good operator but didn't put together the record Povetkin did. He couldn't prepare himself half the time and you could see when he had made the silent agreement to just survive.

No, I can't see that argument at all. Jeffries was demonstrably better and so was Willard

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You're gonna argue Jeanette and McVea and then talk about blown-up cruiserweights? As far as serious contenders, Alex also beat Wach with one loss (to Wlad), Takam with one loss, a 240 pound Perez with one loss and a Charr with one loss (to Vitali). He was catching these guys at their peak, not bagging faded names.

 

Wach=trash, Takam=best win past prime Thompson, Perez=depressed, bloated 40 pounds overweight alcoholic for a few years after the Mago fight (fought liquored up), Char=Charr

I don't know of a single live, technically elite fighter that Povetkin stopped.

 

You're just being disingenuous and likely a Slavaphobe at this point. Was Shavers "technically elite" when Quarry stopped him? Who did he stop who was better?

Povetkin had no fluff in his resume. He beat guys who were at their peak or on the way up, and stopped that progress in its tracks. He's the greatest waste of talent in that division in my lifetime short of Corrie Sanders.

 

You’re just trolling because I made a better point than you.

 

True.... 2nd best to never win the title with the possible exception of Ike.

 

I think Bob Pastor might make top 20. Perhaps Steve Hamas as well

 

If 40-year-olds Boswell and Rahman plus a cruiserweight and that Walrus guy aren’t filler, what is?

His biggest enemy was WADA. He was 0-and-2 against high-level drug testing. (You might or might not remember that he had to accede to that after first protesting that his team should pick a lab for samples to be sent to rather than have it done by an independent agency … which should tell you everything).

For me, he’s the greatest heavyweight who failed two drug tests (for two different fights/camps) to never win a heavyweight title. Slightly ahead of that Big Baby guy.

Most guys who blatantly cheat at least win. Not Povetkin, haha.

 

Hamas is still taking a beating. I hear about it on the news every day.

 

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