If Usyk/Fury retires as the champion...

Who cares once Fury and Usyk retire were waiting a minimum of 10 years for a proper heavyweight again who has competition. Although there will be a small period where your Bakole or Zhang's can come in and maybe snipe a belt.

 

Well ****, y'all made up this 1 vs 2 nonsense for Wlad so maybe youse make up some new nonsense or maybe you truck out some old nonsense and try to claim it still fits. Who knows.

How do you have any ranking for a title that is meant to have existed before ranking and follows tradition rather than sanctioning body rules?

Easy, you just borrow the ranking idea from the bodies, decide some alterative no-teeth ratings board is "legitimate", and justify your "traditional" "lineal" title being awarded to whoever tops the alt ratings board with "Dey is 1 vs 2 doe" like as if that has **** all anything to do with Sully's belt, era, traditions, or lineage.

 

It takes some time for the situation to crystallize in order to get a new lineal HW champion.

 

It's an interesting question
Sometimes I feel it seems to come down to what people want to a degree.

As you note for Wladimir it was over a long period of time where he won WBA, WBO and IBF titles and became considered lineal champ

Fury beat Wladimir to be considered lineal champion, retired didn't fight for over 2 and a half years and was still considered lineal champion when facing Seferi and Pianeta

Joshua not being able to challenge the retired champion won WBA, WBO and IBF titles but wasn't considered lineal champion

I guess it will come down to if the boxing world wants to make it happen and I think it will
I have a feeling that the fighter considered number 1 will get to face the number 2 or 3 and the winner be declared champion
That's just a guess of course

 

This post makes very little sense.

 

It makes sense. Why do you guys like to feign some level of knowledge then blame others when your ignorance causes confusion?

The spelling is correct, the grammar is correct, each sentence has a subject and a predicate; the post makes sense.

 

The post doesn't make sense because the premise of the post is incorrect and flawed.

 

If Usyk beat Fury and retired undefeated at 23-0, honestly, I think it would be met with a "collective shrug" similar to when Andre Ward retired at 32-0.

For all their accomplishments, they both lack natural appeal.

Ward won everything as an amateur, was an Olympic Gold medalist, he unified the Super Middleweights in the Super Six, he moved up and knocked off light heavyweight champs, won Ring belts in two divisions ... and when he retired undefeated, zero people cared.

He just lacked whatever "it" is that creates a fan base that gives a crap.

Nobody ever posted thread after thread wishing Andre Ward would come back.

Usyk is the same. Excellent fighter. But, Joshua is preparing to fight Fury next year whether Fury wins or loses against Usyk next month ... because Joshua-Fury is still a big deal even if BOTH lose TWICE to Usyk, as bizarre as that sounds.

Hell, Joshua-Fury would likely be a bigger fight than anyone Usyk would fight next after Fury.

That's really how kind of insignificant Usyk is, again as bizarre as that is to say, given how many belts he has.

But people would rather see other heavyweights square off, and we talk about those matches all the time, rather than see them fight Usyk.

The only fight you hear people talk about with regard to Usyk is Parker, because Parker fans feel he deserves another title shot. But nobody expects it be an interesting fight. On paper, it looks like the most boring fight you could make in the current division.

Yet, as bland as Parker is, he has more charisma than Usyk does.

Usyk and Ward weren't like Ali, where his personality was so huge that even super talented guys like Holmes were sort of stuck under his shadow.

Canelo and Beterbiev came along and people immediately forgot Ward at 168 and 175 ... like he'd never even been there.

 

Pretty sure that was covered in my first response to you.

I don't understand why you guys like to play this let us both allude to some knowledge neither one will speak directly to while insulting one another either directly or passive aggressively game.

First it's the vague "this post makes no sense"

Then a tiny amount of detail "the premise of the post is flawed"


... You decided to quote me. You decided you want my attention. What are you doing? I don't understand this behavior and I refuse to engage in anything like it.


I don't have anything to add to farther any point because you've yet to actually say anything. All I can do is hammer home how absurd it is to respond, repeatedly, with nothing to say.

 

Boxing isn't a popularity contest to me.

Put 2 evenly matched fighters in a ring and they have my attention.

 

You are only saying this because you said that Usyk was "cashing out" by fighting Joshua, and you had that idiot thread where you talked about all Usyk's fans "waiting for him to save the heavyweight division."

Then he saved the heavyweight division.

How is it that he won't be missed when you cited all of his fans waiting for him to save the division? You are just a crybaby because you weren't on the bandwagon.

You picked Wilder every time against Fury, and Joshua every time against Uysk. Your head is just up your ass.

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This is an Ali and Holmes sort of situation where the lineal belt should go to the Dubois v Hrgovic lineage. If Ali never came back after Spinks the lineal title would have just reverted to Holmes. And thats what will happen here its a no brainer IMO.

The number 1 v 2 or 3 matchup thing is really only for when you've got to pick one champ out of several or theres no other champs. If there's only one other(non interim)champion its an open and shut case.