Is Fury top 10 heavyweight atg if he beats Usyk in december

Not a chance. Being 1-1 against Usyk and other than that beating only 3 Top 10 guys in his career is not enough to surpass Wlad's incredible resume.

 

Wlad's incredible resume? Yeah he was quality and battered all the Euro level fighters but who did he really beat?

Povetkin, Sam Peter, David Haye, Ibragimov and Chris Byrd x2 are his absolute best wins which are all solid but short of elite.

Bryant Jennings, ghost of Brewster, Marius Wach etc there's plenty of results at this level

Then Wladimir has the defeats to Purrity, Sanders and Brewster.

Fury has a win over Wlad, 2 over Wilder which are better than any wins on Wlads record. If he was to beat Usyk (no formality) that would be 3 wins better than anything Wladimir has done. That ranks him above imo.

Fair point a lot greater volume of work by Wlad but there'd be 3 or 4 wins on Fury's record that would be better than any of Wlad's wins if he beats Usyk (no formality) so there's definitely a string argument to rate Fury higher.

 

Wins over Byrd are historically more significant than wins over Wilder.

 

Some good fighters on Wlads resume
Maybe a reason one or 2 didn't become great (prime povetkin for one) was because the brothers, especially Wlad ruled over the division for over a decade

Usyk p4p will be higher than Wlad, but even he doesn't imo have the body of work to overtake him

For usyk to overtake Wlad he needs to beat Fury and defend a couple of times more and I would be content to say he is greater. I wouldn't argue too much to say he is greater with another win over Fury, especially if he does a number on him

But Fury needs to beat usyk twice, Beat Dubois and maybe someone like Kabayel, Parker or whoever is next.

If either guy does the above? They are in the conversation, but Wlad was the man for years with multiple title defences. Nobody has Joe Louis outside their top 3-5, the consensus number 2 and he beat a lot of weaker guys too. His era wasn't sensational

Wlads body of work cannot be underestimated and his wins over Haye and Povetkin are great wins. It's easy to write Haye off in hindsight, but that was a mega fight against a legit puncher at the time. I picked wlad to win, but there was still major concerns with his chin and haye had the power and speed

 

They're not mate, commercially and legacy wise Fury vs Wilder were much bigger fights.

Fury also beat Wlad himself. A win over Usyk (no formality) for me is also better than any of Wlad's wins.

That would make 4 wins on Fury's record above anything Wladimir has done including a win over Wladimir himself, past it or not, no knock out losses in or around his prime to second tier opponents as well. So despite the fact Wladimir has a lot more volume on his resume I'd rate Fury just above him IF he manages to beat Usyk.

 

What aboutism huh? Because both guys are all hype.

 

he isn't the best fighter though.

 

you're gurgling on fury jizz.

 

I don’t think so, no.
Any top 10 list is subjective, but I look at depth of resume, consistency, and competition.
Fury is somewhat complex. Yes he has some good wins, including Wlad (even if past prime he was still ‘the man’ and had home advantage) and Wilder (still dangerous, if limited). But he also did not beat a range of top contenders. He ducked Usyk for a long time. And, IMO, wilfully damaged the sport - and his own historical standing - by taking part in the likes of the unnecessary Chisora trilogy and Ngannou fights. His resume is simply not that deep - occasional highs pepper lots of mediocrity.
To be fair to Fury I think he is a very good heavyweight. Big, skilled and a will to win. But I believe he could have achieved more had he pushed himself - repeatedly - against the best. To me he's a guy happy taking OCCASIONAL risks. That doesn't put you in heavyweight Valhalla. Beating Usyk wouldn’t change that, impressive as it would be. He’d still be well outside the top 10, IMO.

 

I agree.with that
Both overhyped

 

Fury may not be Top 10 after beating Usyk, but if he does so in great fashion, his stock will go up for sure.

 

Well his two best wins would be Klitschko & Usyk. Both are certified future HOFers .. & other than Fury himself & Vitali they are the two best HWs since the Lewis era. So it would make him an ATG imo.. where he ranks is up for discussion, but you can only really be the best of your own era & everything else is speculation. Id prefer a Usyk win though personally.

 

In that case, Fury would end the dominance of two true Ukrainian boxing legends (Wlad and Usyk).
In my opinion, this is a greater sporting success than, for example, Liston's.
Maybe not Top 10, but definitely Top 15.

 

I don't understand why Fury gets so much credit for beating bum Wilder. I mean, Wilder is universally recognized as one of the most over rated, no talent, hype job heavies to ever exist. . . but some reason, its a gold star achievement on Wilders resume just because he was the first to end Wilders streak of beating up old men and tuna cans???? lmao

The only real news from those fights is that Fury almost got knocked out himself TWICE by that bum lmao ....


I wish boxing fans would make up their minds. Because seemingly, the only time Wilders name is worth mentioning is when they are trying to lift Fury's resume.

 

Yes, he'd be in there.
Ali
Louis
Wlad
Tyson
Holmes
It's pretty much fair game after that, wherever he'd end up.