Is Fury top 10 heavyweight atg if he beats Usyk in december

First of all, you need to calm down.

Second, count out the heavyweights who have defended into double digits and/or logged three wins against top five heavyweights in the last forty years and you'll see what kind of company he's in.

 

I think they are two different groups of people, to be fair. Fury fanboys have a tendency of hyping Wilder up, while Fury haters have a tendency to discredit his win from 2020, even tho Wilder was the best available opponent for himat that time. Number 1 vs Number 2 matchup.

I guess you can consider Wilder to be a Jeff Lacy of heavyweights.

 

Double digit title defences and only 2 out of 10 against Top 5 competition, the same guy at that, is nothing to be bragging about. That basically means, 8 of the title defences he scored against non-rated competition because the alphabet body let him do that.

 

Relative to those who came before him, Fury is unlikely to make my Top-20, let alone the Top-10.

However, I think the miracle/divine intervention required for Fury to reverse the result on Usyk will be very noteworthy and rated highly - should this unlikely event occur.

 

your probably one of the fanboys my post is calling out. . . own it bro

 

pretty much where im at. People need to decide whether they want to rate Wilder or not. . and if not, then a Wilder win should do nothing for anyone's resume lol

 

I rate Wilder similar to Michael Grant - hyped up dangerous man, once viewed as the number 1 contender to the championship, but verified on the top level. I don't take away Lewis' win over grant, nor Fury's win over Wilder, they were great for their time, but historically, we are looking at them a bit different.

 

We have no way of knowing if Wilder was number 2 due to his competition

 

That's true, but he was an undefeated title holder, with 10 title defences, hell of a punch and he had a draw against the champion. Finally proved himself against Ortiz too. After AJ lost to Ruiz, the general perception was Fury and Wilder were number 1 and 2.

 

Some ATG resumes are built on long reigns (Wlad, Holmes), others on beating big names (Lewis, Ali). Fury would have two ATGs on his resume at that point, along with the epic Wilder trilogy. However you rate Wilder, he was a ridiculously dangerous dude, and the fights were some of the most exciting HW fights this century. Yes, both ATGs would be past prime by the time Fury beat them, but they'd still have both been undisputed/unified champions at the time, and in the case of Usyk Fury is past his best now too, which levels that out somewhat.

I think that he'd just about squeeze into the Top 10. What's working against him is the lack of depth to his resume beyond those wins. Wallin, Chisora, and a version of Whyte that was unfortunately ruined by waiting around too long for his shot (not through Fury's fault) are all fringe Top 10s, and it'd have been nice to see Fury mix it up with the likes of cemented Top 5-10 types like Dubois, Zhang, Bakole, prime AJ etc. But Wlad, Usyk, epic Wilder trilogy would be pretty solid going.

 

We have no way to assess a win over Ortiz though given Ortiz dire level of competition. We'd have to see him with better opponents to gauge his level

 

That's not how it works. You can have your opinion but you basically won't find any independent ranking from 21/02/20 that didn't have Fury and Wilder at no 1 and 2.

 

The fact someone as useless as Wilder ever ranked so high says it all

But you are right, he was certainly one of the highest ranked fighters at the time

 

If the ranking is based on guesswork its completely reasonable to dismiss it as irrelevant. Everyone had Joshua beating Dubois right up until Dubois knocked him out.

Wheres the actual evidence for Wilder being better than Zhang, Bakole, Kabayel etc?