What should USA boxing do to secure an Olympic gold for men?

Bribes work great and intimidation, best to apply these things both to your own athletes as well as the officials.

 

Countries like Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Cuba are just better than them at boxing, it's as simple as that.

 

I would look to go the traditional route of winning the gold medal match, personally

 

Doesn't America still own the majority of titles outright and those not held by an American are probably held by someone trained by an American?


Beterbiev's trained by Iceman Scully, Fury's a Kronk fighter, Katie's with that Ross fella from America, etc. It's American boxing done by a foreign fighter ... Not that big of a flex in terms of overtaking the culture. When Fury beat Wilder, it's like dude how xenophobic can the brits be when Fury trained by brits got him floored his worst in his career while Fury on US training dominates a jabroni safely?

Usyk, that's a worse crow to swallow, imo. If you're a flag waver. Not American, doesn't train in America, doesn't live in America, not trained by an American. He even fights this weird style we're not used to seeing. Fury will tell your straight up he's trying to be like Ali. Usyk ... good cossack warrior has this weird euro style that's way more departed from American and British boxing then say Wlad's was. Wlad essentially just boxed American amateur style post Manny. Not my word; they're Manny's.

IMO it's really exciting to watch and I do think it's only a matter of time before boxing history get another revision. We call John L a world champion ... Let's be honest, boxing went global for the first time in human history during our lifetimes.

World champion from 1880s-1910s just means best white in America or England. Not even UK, ef Wales ... I guess.

1910s-1930s Just the whites from America, BE, and Europe minus the Soviets. A time mired by Canadian, American, and fascist corruption in that order.

1940s-1980s IMO we're getting close by having quite a lot of the nations in play and the color line ended but the soviets are still outskis

1990s-2010s Boxing becomes a truly global sport with very few outside barriers in the way of the best of the division rising to the top.

2020s even Japan and China produces HW contenders.



So when you're doing your ratings and all times, maybe give Usyk a little respect being the champion of the world when the entire world can play and when you're bragging on old-gins remember being a world champion back then was being champion over a rather small world. Jack Dempsey took on all legitimate challenges in his day. Too bad black dudes were not considered legitimate and Asians didn't even know of the sport. Ali said he was HW champion of china, Usyk reigns over a time when there is a legitimate top ten Chinese contender.


IMO, it's an exciting time.

 

Yet still to this day after all these years, there's still never ever been a Chinese HW champion. It's good they've finally had somebody good enough to become a contender, but ultimately the fact remains- still never had a champion. To become truly global a chinese guy would have to beat the superior Ukrainian or Brit or American or
whoevers on top with the world title, but still they aren't good enough.

Just like there's only ever been one single ever black african hw champion (samuel peter)

And Cuba despite being a strong force in boxing, still have still never ever had a Hw champion.

The countries that have had HW world champions is still a very small list, considering there's around 200 countries in the world, 4 belts in the division.

 

Without wanting to sound overly cynical, they're already following the best option by hosting the games. Boxing is a dirty sport, rife with corruption. Home town judging is a thing in every Olympics. US performance in LA medal table will be much improved, however well they perform in the ring.

 

Train harder.

 

Give some green cards to a few Usbeks will do the trick.

 

I watched a lot of amateur boxing in the lead up to the Paris Olympics & the Americans have plenty of talent. They had guys who didn't qualify for Paris who were capable of winning gold medals. They also had guys who did go to Paris who were capable of winning gold medals with different judges. With a home Olympics on the horizon, it's simply a matter of determining who their best fighters are over the next three years & making sure the ones who emerge as the best get enough international competition before the games take place. Getting rid of judges who think they're still fighting a cold war wouldn't hurt either.

 

@themostoverrated

I disagree with you on everything. And you make a lot of EXCUSES.

1. Cubans have had many professional fighters and world champions plying their trade abroad, so it's irrelevant that there's been no pro shows in Cuba till then. They've had 21 pro world champions in other weight divisions.. And they've heavyweights that have fought for a world title and lost - Luis Ortiz x 2, Odlanier Solis, Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Juan Carlos Gomez = all fought for a heavyweight world title and lost, and other contenders like Mike Perez, Franck Sanchez, Roberto Alonso, all just simply were not good enough to win a heavyweight world title.

2 This is also irrelevant look at the size of likes of Taishan Dong and Zhang, Orientals are not good in almost all weight divisions in boxing, there's many of them in the weight divisions between lightweight an welterweight for example but they struggle to get to world title level, They only excel in divisions where there is hardly any fighters from the worlds best countries at boxing, like minimumweight and flyweight.

The lack of money excuse is complete nonsense. POVERTY BREEDS SUCCESS IN BOXING. Ukraine for example, is the poorest country in Europe, with many problems including a war going on,almost no funding for their national team, poor facilities, all their fighters have had to fight abroad, no pro shows, nothing given to them on a plate. Yet still they produce top fighters consistently without making any excuses whatsoever,.

If you're good enough and you work hard enough you can get there, I hate excuses of all kinds. You only have to look at the road warrior and greatest of this generation. Usyk coming from the poorest country in Europe, fighting all his opponents in their backyards and beating all of them , often whilst being outweighed.

Some individuals and some countries are good at some things and some are not. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and things we're good at and bad at as individuals and the exact same applies with with countries too.

You only have to look at boxrec's database. Some of the worst countries in boxing, with no world champions ever, have amongst the highest number of current pro boxers.

If you actually think you could take the same amount of boxers from around the world, put them in the same gym, with the same trainer, doing the same things with the exact same opportunities and the world champion belts would just be spread perfectly evenly with no differences. Then you are very mistaken and delusional. It just does not work like that, certain people are better than others at certain things.

 

I don't know what it is, or how it happened - but Americas standard in heavyweight boxing massively dropped off after the 1990s. Bar Wilder who was a very mediocre boxer for a champion.

 

There isn't a really good amateur program here. The Federal and State governments could put together programs for it and sponsor athletes.

 

Does anyone know what the reasons are for the American amateur boxing programs disappearing or declining in quality?