Joe Frazier would have whupped Sonny Liston

This is a horrible match-up for Joe Frazier. That truth tells the story of how this would go.

 

Everyone gangsta till Sonny leans that left hand and mauls Frazier with combos.
Combo Liston is the least thing you wanna see before getting ko'ed,trust.

 

You know all this doesn't matter, don't you? Ya can't compare apples and oranges, abd we are comparing two fighters and their styles and making suppositions. Ali lost to Spinks. Does thst make him a lesser fighter? Of course it doesn't. Styles make fights. Simple. In my opinion, Liston's style and Frazier's style mesh perfectly for Liston to brutalise Frazier. And I don't care who beat who and how. Because it doesn't matter.

 

Liston wont brutalise Frazier because Liston isn't Foreman.

Liston is boxer puncher while Foreman was agressive slugger with great chin and great infighting and parrying like Jack Johnson, and it was not FOTC prime Frazier here.

So Liston isn't Foreman and this was prime Frazier we're talking about, that's why this matchup is much more close than we think.

 

You think Ali lost to Spinks due to styles!?

 

You don't have to be Foreman to brutalise Frazier. I think Liston's attributes would allow him to methodically and brutally dismantle Joe. Other opinions are available and equally relevant man, and that's cool.

 

No, poorly worded by me. My point with regards Ali and Leon was simply that other posters are using other Liston performances to undermine his chances here. I was simply pointing put that a fighter should not be defined by their losses but by their style. Ali was not a lesser fighter because he lost to Spinks late in his career. Liston should not be defined by his losses or sub par performances, in head to head we surely match the best version of either fighter against the other and for me the best version of Liston beats the best version of Joe because I think styles make fights and his style gives Joe fits. Hope that clarify things. Have a wonderful day all, peace and love, gbn x

 

You have to be, because no one else brutalize Frazier and wouldn't brutalize him the way Foreman did, not Tyson not Liston.

Liston didn't have atributes that Foreman did, since Liston fighting style was different( he was faster starter, more agressive, better cutting ring, better infighting and preparing for punches) and Frazier and Liston were much closer in size than Frazier was with Foreman.

 

Different ways to brutalise someone as outlined in an earlier post...for me, Liston brutally dismantles Joe and comprehensively, methodically destroys him. I may be in a minority but that's how I see it. It would be a more chilling, more complete, more controlled victory than Foreman's brutal pummelling.

 

Liston had a slower feet though, that's his flaws, although I don't mind if Liston went combo mode and mauls Frazier with those vicious punches

 

Even if he mauls which is highly unlikely it wouldn't be fast, more like 6 or 7th rpund stoppage but that's if.

 

Only way I see Liston stopping Frazier is by mid late rounds by KO but it is highly unlikey since Liston is slower starter than Foreman and isn't agressive as Foreman.
Liston best weapon is the jab but Frazier is the master of slipping the jab, Frazier flaw is good right hand which isn't Listons best weapon.

 

Fight write up

Co-main Event: Sonny Liston vs. Joe Frazier

It is a real shame this fight never happened as both fighters were mixing it up around the same time. Liston’s peak was in 1960 and Frazier’s in 1970, but Liston was still active and dangerous right up until 1970 when Frazier was the champ, so a fight between the two was a possibility.

Had they met around the late sixties, Frazier would have taken an ageing Liston into deep waters and either forced him to retire or knocked him out with a brutal left hook. However this fight is considering the buzzsaw that is the Sonny Liston who ran through the entire top ten and forced Floyd Patterson into a title shot, against a prime and ready Smokin’ Joe coming off a career-defining win over Muhammad Ali. This will be one action-packed fight.

In terms of size Liston is the bigger man by about ten pounds, two inches in height and a massive ten inches in reach – absolutely mindblowing considering the relatively small height difference between them.

Liston hits the harder of the two and has the much sturdier set of whiskers, whereas Frazier excels in speed, heart, stamina and ring IQ. A tough fight to call.

So, when the two combatants finally meet will it be a back-and-forth contest or a one-sided domination?

Liston is fully aware of Frazier’s tendency to start slow and therefore piles on the pressure early, using his ramrod jab to keep him at bay. Every time Frazier tries to come in, BANG! The jab hits the target, upsetting Frazier’s rhythm.

During the first two rounds Liston scores a hard knockdown with a powerful right that Frazier doesn’t see coming. Frazier beats the count but is feeling the effects and before he knows it Liston is pouring on the pressure, landing another one-two that sends him down again.

As expected, Frazier beats the count and demands the ref let things resume, which he does.

Rounds Three to Five are all in favour of Liston, who’s using his jab and power to keep Frazier out of range. When up close he smartly engages the clinch and muscles his opponent around.

Frazier is finding success with the left hook but nothing too telling. Some tough attacks to the body give Liston something to think about, but in general he has managed to rack up a nice lead going into the sixth round.

The freight train that is Smokin’ Joe is starting to gather steam. Noticing his foe’s heavier breathing and slowing pace only drives him on. The bell rings and he jumps off his stool and burrows into Liston’s chest, pushing him into the ropes and unleashing hard lefts and rights to the body as Liston tries to smother Frazier. A left hook bounces off his chin, sending him back into the ropes. A right from Frazier is blocked and Liston manages to tie up while gasping for air.

The ref breaks them up and Frazier comes forward but walks into a jab that staggers him. He shakes it off and pushes on. By the end of the round Frazier has thrown on average three punches to Liston’s one and landed over half.

The Big Bear is feeling the pace and on his corner’s insistence he slows down considerably during the next two rounds, constantly holding, pushing back and spoiling Frazier’s work.

This doesn’t affect Frazier too much. As the busier man he outworks and outlands his adversary easily. The fight has swung firmly in Frazier’s favour and he can feel it.

Rounds Seven, Eight and Nine are all Joe Frazier. He’s gaining in strength and forcing the action. Liston is slowly wilting under the constant body attacks and a gash has opened up under his right eye from a patented Frazier left hook.

By Round Ten a bruised Liston has managed to get his second wind and comes out behind the jab, keeping things as simple as possible. Fire the jab, throw the right and tie up easily, right? Well, not exactly. Frazier isn’t slowing down and keeps slipping the jab and coming up with the left, somehow finding the target, much to Liston’s annoyance.

During the halfway point of the round Frazier ducks in but walks straight into a Liston right uppercut that sends him down for the count. He manages to gather his senses and beat the count, but the Big Bear sees his opportunity and fires some perfectly-timed shots that put his opponent down once again.

Smokin’ Joe is hanging in there, but another hard jab sends him down again for the third time and the ref has finally seen enough. The fight is over and both fighters embrace, showing their respect to the other.

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