Oleksandr Usyk vs Tyson Fury II: who will you be rooting for?

It's not about your opinion per say, it's about how you change it to fit your narrative. Even after the Ngannou fight you were calling Fury a great fighter and predicted he would stop Usyk. Suddenly when he lost, he's subpar. What's up with that? Seems like you change your mind just to not give Usyk his flowers, even tho you said you would.

 

I have gave him his flowers, he is the best of a bad era (for now) and have him maybe top 50. 50 is extremely high considering how many have boxed in multiple divisions.

What do you want me to do? Put him with manny and Floyd? Lol no chance

I called the era crap before the first fight.

Like you said in your previous post, Fury said he prepared for Ngannou and lost. So why should I give usyk more flowers? If he is top 50 all time then should he not beat a guy losing to Ngannou?

When I said I would give him his flowers, it means I said he was better than Fury. Have I not done that?

 

As for what "should" happen -- I'll go for what would be the best for the sport -- Tyson Fury. With an immediate rematch to occur. This era could use a trilogy between the two guys who legitimately are the best, before they age out of it (as they're both about to).

As for who I'll actually root for -- Usyk. The first fight was the first big event my youngest kid watched with me, and it (surprisingly for a 7yr old girl mostly into princesses and roblox) ignited an interest in boxing for her. No joke -- she had me install DAZN on her iPad and log it into my account, and I've found her on weekend mornings laying in bed watching random events. On Thursday/Friday nights, she'll ask me in advance if there are fights going on. Anyway, she's watched the press events and is all in for Usyk. So how can I not join in and root for him with her? And honestly, I think Usyk is a bit more likely to win than Fury anyway.

 

Oh come on regarding Fury. He didn't prep for Ngannou. I don't care what he said. He looked terrible in there against Ngannou. Against Usyk, he looked the best he had since his second fight with Wilder. Huge difference.

 

He said he prepared as did the poster I am having the back and forth with. They said at the Fury prepared and lost, as did the man himself

I will choose to believe them
Anyhow, even unprepared he should kill Ngannou.

Maybe usyk isn't all he's hyped up to be, that's why Fury looked good.

Also being the best since beating wilder means little, he's truly awful. It's a terrible era when a guy with two left feet and a big punch is one of your top wins

 

eh, Ngannou is still an open question. He isn't some youtuber. He's been competing in (and winning) combat sports forever -- he's not a boxer, but he's a very, very legitimate fighter. He's been hit, he's been hurt, he's overcome adversity, he's lived the lifestyle for real, etc. He's a SHW, he's a hard hitter, and due to his background, he's not someone to try to clinch. He got blasted out by AJ due to a beginner (boxer) mistake. Fair enough. But in against someone who doesn't have that big power? Eh, I can see him being surprisingly better than expected.

Fury isn't awful. Seriously? You think the guy who fought Usyk was awful? Come on. A top 10 ATG? No. But a damn good fighter? Absolutely.

Be real with your assessments. The Fury who fought Usyk is a rough night for anyone and beats most.

 

I disagree, I think Fury is just decent. He was good 10 years ago, but not great then

Fury is great compared to the crap era, but look at this

Lost to McDermott
Arguably lost to Ngannou

His wins
39 year old wlad, great win dull fight against a guy over the hill

Wilderx3 he's terrible
Chisora x3 brave journeyman
Whyte: his haters say he got his chin cracked v povetkin and Aj holds the better win

Who else?
Cunningham: a zero power cruiser weight who dropped him and was wining until Fury got dirty and mauled him

Sorry mate, I don't think he's great. Him being top dog or second best says it all

 

Ah man, that is seriously cute. DAZN on her iPad -

One thing about social evolution that is great - it is more likely that girls can like and be whatever they want as opposed to the dictates of the past.

The minority of girls that pushed through those boundaries used to be called Tom Boys. Not fair. If it’s fun and you like it, it should be open to all.

Women in sport display genuine confidence and self satisfaction in what they do - they’re not playing a role written for them by others.

Sounds like your little Miss would more likely want a set of boxing gloves and mini heavy bag for Xmas than a pink Barbie camper van.

All the best for her future - the world is her oyster.

I have two boys and the main thing that I taught them is respect toward women - and they’ve come out terrifically in that regard.

If I had a daughter I would have had to have battled against becoming an overly protective Dad - giving all future BFs the Al Bundy treatment. Lol.

 

The funny thing is that she's my girly one. She's all about fluffy dresses, dolls, etc. My older two girls are much more of the tomboy types. Go figure that the girly one is the one into boxing.

As to daughters, I've got a conundrum for you. My teenage daughter is a lesbian. She's not some weird type (in fact, it seems like a decent portion of the LGBT community annoys her). She just looks at girls like a straight dude does, looks at guys like a straight dude does, but happens to be a girl, so there you go; we have, uh, had some funny discussions and found out we have the same types (lol). She's not butch or anything, she has long hair, wears makeup, etc. But she doesn't wear girly clothes, just throws on jeans and a sweater. Anyway, here's the conundrum -- sleepovers with female friends. And (sigh) dates. Part of me is like "well, ain't nobody getting pregnant, so whatever", and part of me goes all Al Bundy. The "whatever" side of me wins out, but the Al Bundy side is always arguing with him. What's a grumpy dad to do?

Side note: dual chaperoning my teenage daughter's first date along with the other girl's dad was a humorous bit of modern world awkwardness. We took them to this big arcade place that has video games, laser tag, bowling, etc. We sat at the bar while they did their thing. Funny conversation. "Yep..." *sigh* "Yep..." *sigh* "Well, better than some boy right?" "We could threaten boys though" "Good point"

 

Great stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Lol, having a gay child without any prejudice involved is still a game changer in terms of objective logistics and flipping of pre-existing accents.

You’re relating of the “talk” at the bar with the other Dad is hilarious -

Moving conceptually from Married With Children to Modern Family - both starring Ed O’Neill as it turned out. Haha.

 

Not a shot at you but the value of quotes are often preloaded by what we think we saw with our own eyes - which often dictates if we accept or reject said quotes.

You’re not wrong, Fury did say he trained properly for Francis - whatever one has already decided for themselves from sources otherwise (their own eyes), that will dictate whether they believe Fury or not.

I certainly wouldn’t believe the man in his own right but many have spoken on his behalf, suggesting that he told a porky pie (pun intended) re his prep for Francis in deference to being a sportsman and offering no excuses - fair assumption that can be argued for.

Having said that, whether Fury was as badly off for Francis as some claim, my own eyes tell me he was far better prepared and conditioned for Usyk - so Olek didn’t literally beat the “same guy” who struggled against Ngannou - and styles make fights anyway.

As to Ngannou, just 2 pro bouts - seeing him go, perception wise, from hero to zero, be it fair judgment or not.

Tbh, to accurately gauge Francis, we would actually need to see more of him in the ring.

First 2 fights vs Fury and then AJ, the latter being a reputable puncher?

Quite an extraordinary resume to be getting on with at any rate. In fact, absolutely unique.

I’ve said it before, an out of shape Ali lost to Norton but even an acutely trained and obviously still great Ali struggled with Ken Norton in their rematch.

Shortly thereafter, Foreman blew Norton away in under 2 rounds.

Did that necessarily reduce Ali’s status by comparison? Of course not.

Ali and Foreman were two completely different fighters in terms of their styles and particular strengths/weaknesses.

For all we know, Francis might’ve been somewhat of a stylistic bogeyman for Fury in any circumstance but in varying degrees depending on Fury’s degree of preparedness.

For all the talk that AJ exposed Francis (mind you, AJ was perceived to have “exposed” Francis, Tyson certainly didn’t) - Tyson can only prove his fight vs Ngannou was anomaly by rematching Francis and easily defeating him.

Suffice to say, any version of Tyson wasn’t/isn’t the type of fighter that would’ve flattened Francis the way AJ did anyway.

 

Nah Fury looked like **** in a terrible performance but outlanded Ngannou and squeaked a win

 

Exposed? Eh. Ngannou made a mistake and left himself wide open against a puncher. Mostly just shows why fighting punchers is dangerous.

and if Fury could hit like AJ, he’d be undisputed, not even a question.

 

I assume you’re agreeing with me because you’ve basically said what I just posted.

 

To modern family it, I even have a latina wife