Is Martin Bakole overrated?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Dec 14, 2024.


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Poll closed Dec 21, 2024.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes.

    But then again so are most fighters after a win.
     
  2. Inglis_1

    Inglis_1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's alright, nothing more, about a top 10-15 fighter.

    Not in terms of style, but in terms of ceiling, he's probably this generation's version of Carlos Takam.
     
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  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anderson was as much a consensus top 10 heavy as Ortiz when he faced Wilder.
     
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  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ortiz was top 5/6 in Ring's end of year rankings from 2015-2020. All of the other major orgs had him up there. He was also given a roughly 50-50 chance of beating Wilder (who was ranked 2nd) in early 2018 by this forum, before the retconning.

    Anderson slipped out of Ring's top 10 almost as quickly as he slipped in. There's no basis to your claim.
     
  5. MrPook

    MrPook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He got all the tools to be World Champion but I am not convinced he will be bringing his A game fight after fighter year after year.

    Seems like he is getting mixed reviews generally. So I don’t think he is overrated yet.
     
  6. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who did Ortiz beat to substantiate your claim as him being a legitimate top ten fighter?
     
  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    6th Ring ranked Jennings, as well as several dominant performances against mutual opponents with other contenders.

    42 year old, 2 KO defeat, rickety as hell Ortiz also knocked Martin senseless in 6, Martin being Anderson's best win via 10 round decision.
     
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  8. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Zhang is more popular and has a better resume
     
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  9. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its too early to tell. Jared Anderson is or was the youngest ranked HW over two years younger than Dubois. We really don't know what that win means.
     
  10. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's a very, very thin claim. Especially if you have to factor in performances against other contenders opponents that sit outside the top ten.

    Was Martin even ranked at the time? Anderson also hadn't really accomplished enough to earn a ranking outside of being hyped up as USAs new hope. So outside of a singular victory over Jennings, and losing to Ruiz and Wilder, what else did Ortiz do?
     
  11. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    I don't think he would beat Fury, Usyk or Dubois.

    He could beat a good contender in Parker or AJ ATM though.
     
  12. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ortiz resume doesn't back such an assessment. One could make a reasonable case he wasn't top 10 for either Wilder fight if so inclined. He never beat any of his rival claimants who would have been

    (in 2018 and 2019)
    Wilder
    Parker
    Joshua
    Whyte
    Povetkin
    Miller
    Kabayel
    Rivas
    Ruiz
    Pulev
    etc.

    Has nary a win over any of them
     
  13. GarethUmmDavies

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    If Bakole warranted the tag of overrated everyone wouldn't be avoiding him like the plague.

    What do you think @billy nelson
     
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  14. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hype is fine. Until they don't live up to it
     
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  15. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    I think hes a tough fight for pretty much everybody and most likely would take some big scalps if he got the opportunity to do so.