Tyson Furys resume is better than Anthony Joshuas

To be fair, I've seen a lot of criticism toward Vitali on this forum. He's overrated when it comes to casuals tho.

 

I think Dom was rated when Joshua beat him too. Breazeale 2016 for the IBF?

 

I meant rated in independent rankings. Breazeale was rated as Top 10 by The Ring in 2017, but it was a year after AJ beat him and 2 years before Wilder beat him.

 

Nah, if Fury wins there will have to be a trilogy
If usyk doesn't get the third fight then I too agree it is BS

If Usyk beats Fury and fights Aj next fine with that, as he has beat both guys twice already, he can do what he wants

Unless Fury somehow destroys usyk, I can't see him fight Aj, unless usyk is paid to step aside?

 

If Fury destroys Usyk, I want to see the trilogy anyway. And if not, then go for Fury vs Dubois/Parker or Kabayel/Zhang. AJ should be nowhere near the title shot at this stage. I know he's a cash cow and I really like the guy. But he doesn't deserve the championship fight.

 

Wlad's resume, top 10 fights:

Puritty (loss)
Byrd
Sanders (loss)
Brewster (loss)
Williamson (controversial TD5)
Peter (controversial due to frequent hugging)
Haye
Povetkin (controversial due to constant hugging, DQ-worthy)
Fury (loss)
Joshua (loss)

5-5, 0 KO wins, 4 KO defeats. Rematches with tough opponents either didn't transpire, came too late to be meaningful (Brewster, Peter) or were blatantly ducked (Sanders, Williamson).

It's become laughably overrated, he never had the overall ability of Fury or Usyk.

 

My bad, I just assumed TBRB to be honest.

If you're interested:

https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive

14 June 2016
Heavyweight
Champion: Tyson Fury
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Luis Ortiz
4. Deontay Wilder
5. Joseph Parker
6. Anthony Joshua
7. Kubrat Pulev
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Dominic Breazeale
10. Carlos Takam


I only use TBRB because it's easy to go month to month and they're fairly respected, I don't mean to make this a tbrb vs ring deal at all. Your post was fantastic.

 

These ain't Wlad Top 10 fights. Puritty and Williamson ain't even close to Pulev, Chagaev, Ibragimov and Chambers. You just cherry picked them to show a loss and an alleged controversy.

More objective would be showing his record against Top 10 rated opposition, which is 15-4. To compare, Fury's records against Top 10 is 4-1-1 and Usyk at HW is 4-0. I won't argue the ability, as Usyk is clearly a better all around fighter, but when it comes to resume at HW, Wlad is miles ahead of Fury and Usyk.

Sanders refused to rematch Wlad chosing to fight Vitali for the vacant wBC & The Ring titles.

 

Thanks, I use TBRB as a back up as well, cause The Ring does not have a monopoly for the rankings. I remembered Breazele could have been here, but I forgot. Well, we can add him to the list. He was a Top 10 guy according to TBRB from 2016 to 2017 I think and he was rated in the Top 10 by The Ring in 2017.

 

"Puritty and Williamson"

They are more significant fights on his record than Chambers, Chagaev etc. I would argue they also tell us more about him.

You could do the same with Fury's record and include McDermott 1 (controversial decision), Cunningham (roughhouse tactics), Wallin (could've/would've been stopped on cuts as B-side) and Ngannou (controversial decision). The difference is that Fury has looked great (Chisora 2, Wlad, Wilder 2), Wlad not so much. Wlad was more beatable despite being far more mentally consistent and more reliant on favourable officiating.

"More objective"

Why is excluding Wlad's loss to a journeyman "more objective"? One could use another metric, like current record against probable HoF fighters. Wlad is 0-2, Fury is 3-1-1, Usyk is 3-0 and only the latter two have a serious chance of improvement.

"Sanders refused to rematch Wlad"

K2 had a rematch clause, Wlad didn't want it after being blown out in 205 seconds and never pursued it post-Vitali either.

 

They aren't tho. You just picked the fights he struggled in. Wlad beat boxers that are a lot better than Puritty and Williamson in a dominant fashion.

Wlad also looked great against a similar or even better competition. Not mentioning himself of course. BTW. Fury beat Wilder in the rematch using jab, grab, right hand tactics that Wlad used his whole entire career.

If we counting Wilder as a probable HOF, then we can add Byrd and Povetkin to it. Then you have 3-2 in Wlad's resume.

Nope.

 

Do you feel Joshua's resume is lesser for not fighting Chisora?
He has beaten Whyte, Pulev and Parker who each hold a win over Chisora

Edit
There is Helenius as well but I did feel Chisora edged that fight from what I recall

 

I picked Fury
I felt his style would stop Wladimir setting up the right hand

 

I know you tend to duck questions but you rightfully mentioned how Fury beat the man when he beat Wladimir.
Completely agree with that
But...

1st Question...
How was Joshua supposed to challenge Fury at that time when Fury decided not to box for over 2 years?

(Joshua did win all of the titles Fury relinquished in 3 separate fights)

You make a point of mentioning Fury's 3 wins over Chisora
I thought the 2nd win was a decent win

I thought the 1st win was also a good win considering where they both were in their careers but...

Question 2
Do you consider Chisora prime in their first fight when he had only had 14 fights and would go on to lose 3 of his next 4 fights with one being a KO loss?

Question 3
Or do you consider Fury's 3rd fight with Chisora as prime Chisora?

Question 4
Curiously which Fury fights with Chisora do you rate above Joshua's fights between and including his fight with Whyte to present time.
I know this is only opinions

I think Fury's 2nd win over Chisora is greater than several of the wins, but I'm interested about which ones you are referring to

 

I don't duck questions, especially when they are from a legit source with non bias

You are an Aj fanboy, his resume sucks
Fury's sucks also, but less so

I didn't read the rest of your post, because you bore me