Tyson Furys resume is better than Anthony Joshuas

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  1. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've always found it odd that AJ never faced Chisora. Never made sense to me.
     
  2. bailey

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    No fan of Joshua at all.
    Not sure why you would think I would be, especially as I haven't argued that he does or doesn't have a better resume than Fury.

    Just asked you a few questions, which you claim not to have read, but seemed to have read that it said you duck questions. And guess what... You read it, denied ducking questions and then ducked again

    I know a white flag when I see one
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    When was he supposed to have?
    When would have been the time that you think it should or would have happened?
    Why didn't it make sense to you?

    Did you think it made sense as a title defence for Fury when Chisora was 3-1 in his last 4 fights?
    Or 8-7 in his last 15?
     
  4. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    There is a big fight happening Saturday, nobody gives a toss about Aj right now

    I will answer your stupid question about chisora after this weekend, it's unimportant. The only thing on my mind is Saturday

    If you weren't so condescending in your opening lines, I would have read your post then. I've read it since, buy I will answer questions when I'm treated with manners
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I do genuinely apologise
    I had you mixed up with another poster

    Though the questions stand
     
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  6. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's not overrated. Who did he not face during his reign? He was also older than all the fighters today when he was active. He beat Peter at like 40 years old. Arrerola, who he beat to a pulp, took Ruiz close. This was an old Arrerola who nearly beat Ruiz. The same Ruiz who beat AJ and Ortiz (who people say is the boogey man and Wilder's best win).

    The only real close fight Vitali had was against Lewis, and he was in that fight until his eye blew up. People rate Lewis as a top 3 HW of all-time. While people say Lewis was over the hill, Usyk is the same age now that Lewis was when he fought Klitschko.

    If anything, Vitali gets underrated. His resume, barring Usyk is better than anyone elses today in the HW division, including Mr. Fury. He was also a difficult matchup for all the fighters he faced, no one had an easy time with him.
     
  7. AdamT

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    Chisora 2 was a great win and performance over a prime opponent

    We will concede that there isn't much between them. Joshua has more names and defences, were Fury beat the big name in wlad first and the wins in america vs wilder

    If anyone says Aj has a much better resume than Fury, they are full of it and if anyone says Fury has a much greater resume, they too are full of it

    Right now Usyk has a better resume for sure and has beat both

    That's my honest opinion, as you were very humble with your post. I only troll haters and fanboys. If a respectful poster wants my honest assessment they will have it. Of course because of the losses and liking Fury more, I will say his is greater, but certainly not much

    My apologies for answering like a dick earlier. Enjoy the fight!
     
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  8. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali resume is worse than Usyk, Furys and Joshuas
     
  9. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Only one you can make a case for is Usyk.
     
  10. naranja

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    If he beats Usyk then it definitely is
     
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  11. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury beat the long reigning champ Wlad. When Vitali had the chance vs an aging Lewis he got stopped.
    Fury beat Wilder 2 by KO (arguably 3x) > Every Vitali win by a good margin
    Even Fury beating Whyte would be one of Vitalis better wins.
    Fury surpassed Vitali.

    Joshua beat Wlad who was the aging champion by KO. Vitali got Kod by an aging champion who didnt even train properly (Yes Fury and Joshua wouldve beaten that version of Lennox)
    Joshuas wins over Parker and Povetkin > every Vitali win.

    So Joshua and Fury each have 3 wins better than every Vitali Klitshko win.

    I dont really put much stock in Vitali coming back in 2008 and becoming the secondary champion beating guys like Chisora (Who Fury beat twice), Peter, Arreola etc. Nice feat but not really moving the needle.

    The fact that Vitali is ever considered better than Wlad or a head to head monster is laughable
     
  12. JMotrain

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    For Fury:
    Plenty of fighters had already beaten Klitschko and he was at the tail end of his career. It's Fury's best win but his resume falls off after that.

    Wilder is trash, I don't see how you think that is better than every "Vitali win by a good margin". There are plenty of guys on Vitali's resume who would have KO'd Wilder or outpointed him. If Vitali fought the same competition as Wilder, he would be undefeated. If Vitali himself fought Wilder, he would have KO'd him.

    Whyte got KO'd by an old Povetin, should have a loss against Parker and barely scraped by Chisora. The same Chisora that Vitali beat with one arm. Whyte's not that good, it's no better of a win than Herbie Hide for Klitschko.

    For AJ:
    He nearly got KO'd by a 41 year old Wlad. He was lucky Klitschko had a stupid gameplan or he would have been handed his first loss. He lost to a fighter who is morbidly obese in Andy Ruiz, got schooled twice by Usyk, and decapitated against Dubois.

    He beat an old Povetkin, who was actually winning the fight before the KO. His Parker win in retrospect is a good win but this is still a guy who got stopped by Joyce. The same Joyce who couldn't get past an old Chisora.

    You also bring Lewis like that is some mark on Klitchsko's record. His eye blew up and the fight was stopped while he protested. Lewis shamelessly ducked the rematch and retired. Even that version of Lewis is better than anyone today, not name Usyk.
     
  13. Joeywill

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    Not that version of Klitschko who was champion no

    Outside of Lennox, prime Wilder is the favorite vs all of Vitalis Klitshkos opponents and Wilder would even have a good chance vs that version of Lennox to one punch KO him Hasim Rahman style (something Vitali couldnt do cause he doesnt have that kind of power.)

    That version of Povetkin is also better than every Vitali win (its amazing how bad his resume is)

    Better than getting stopped by an unprepared overweight Lennox Lewis.
    Yes he has lost but thats what happens when you constantly fight good competition and are flawed. Vitali left the division for 4 years cause of injury, unfortunately.

    That was not the same Joyce nice try. That Joyce had been demolished by Zhang twice. The Joyce who fought Parker was better than every Vitali Klitschko beaten opponent. (You see a theme here)

    My response: Massive mark. Unbelievably bad loss considering the circumstances. Good chance Dubious, Zhang, Bakole or Kabayel knock that version of Lewis out. Although id still favor Lewis but man it would be interesting.
     
  14. Joeywill

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    The whole "This guy isnt that good because this guy beat this guy" argument is stupid. You can make the same argument against Vitalis wins also.

    Wlad, Wilder 2x > every Vitali Klitschko win

    Wlad, Parker and Povetkin > every Vitali Klitshko win
     
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  15. Kiwi Casual

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    Any time. Chisora has fought basically everyone else, and given they're both UK fighters it's crazy they haven't crossed paths. Maybe a bad style match up?