Tyson Furys resume is better than Anthony Joshuas

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  1. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder is not very good and he wouldn't be a favorite over all of Vitali's opponents. Wilder got dropped against journeymen, buzzed against a school teacher, outboxed by a B level fighter, stopped against an old man with stamina issues and stopped twice by a featherfist in Fury. He also barely scraped by a Cuban pensioner, lucky for him that old man has a glass chin. You can't point to the Vitali fight where he was outboxed or even knocked down because it doesn't exist.

    Sanders, Peter, Lewis all stop Wilder. Wilder isn't stopping Lewis, you need to lay off the drugs. Donald and Byrd both embarass him. There are probably other guys like Briggs and Chisora who beat Wilder as well.

    Joyce was not better than all the Vitali opponents. He couldn't even beat an old Chisora. Who cares if he got demolished by Zhang twice, all that shows is how bad he is and he still beat Parker.

    Dubios, Zhang, Bakole, and Kayayel knock out that version of Lewis? You're delusional. They would all have a punchers chance which is about 10%, and I doubt any of them would beat him on two weeks notice.
     
  2. Finkel

    Finkel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Briggs?
    Wilder has been ducking the champ for nearly a decade...;)
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    But in truth, I give him little chance against the prime version of Briggs. The guy could hold some brutal shots and had power.
     
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  3. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are very few actual contenders or champions I would favor Wilder over. I'm sure he could stop Briggs, but Briggs could stop him as well. And skill-wise, Briggs was better.
     
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  4. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree about those guys being better than Wilder.

    Id make Wilder the favorite vs all of them.

    Especially Briggs with his terrible conditioning.

    As far as the whole 2 week notice thing goes that's misleading because Vitali Klitschko was training for another fight on that undercard so its not like he unexpectedly had to start training.

    Those guys have a good chance of knocking out that version of Lennox Lewis. That version of Lennox Lewis was most likely worse than the one who fought Rahman for the first time and we know what happened there.

    Lennox Lewis was always vulnerable to punchers somewhat and probably didnt have the best recovery abilities.

    Unforountley for Vitali Klitshko he doesnt have much one punch power and isnt a combination puncher so he lost a brawl with Lennox Lewis (Yes he lost. Those cuts came from punches they didnt come by accident)
     
  5. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You can make a Wilder a favorite over all of them. If you were a bookie, you'd lose plenty of money.

    There's nothing to suggest Lewis couldn't beat any of those guys, you do realize the Lewis era was tougher than this era right? Or are you 14 years old?

    Klitschko was ahead 4-2 and unfortunately got a nasty cut and the fight was called. Lewis didn't give him a rematch so I wouldn't hold that against Klitschko. He never looked half as bad as Wilder has in plenty of his fights.
     
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  6. Joeywill

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    First off I had it 3-3 and who cares if he was ahead he got stopped by an old out of shape Lennox Lewis while he himself was in his prime. Not very impressive for someone who fans think is an all time great

    Lennox Lewis would've probably stopped him over the next few rounds if not for the cut.
     
  7. GlassJoe

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    Does anyone know when the main card fight will begin? It says 5 pm. I'm not talking about just Fury vs Usyk, but also:
    Light middleweight: Serhii Bohachuk (24-2, 23 KOs) vs. Ishmael Davis (13-1, 6 KOs)

    Heavyweight: Moses Itauma (10-0, 8 KOs) vs. Demsey McKean (22-1, 14 KOs)

    Heavyweight: Johnny Fisher (12-0, 11 KOs) vs. David Allen (23-6-2, 18 KOs)

    Featherweight: Isaac Lowe (25-2-3, 8 KOs) vs. Lee McGregor (14-1-1, 11 KOs)
     
  8. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Briggs has no tank. I see Wilder catching him due to height reach and speed and stamina

    Wilder has gotten underrated on this forum

    Give it 10 years and he'll be looked at more positively
     
  9. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or Lewis would have been stopped. One guy had been stopped twice in his career and the other guy never had been. We are both speculating here, the facts are the judges had Vitali up and there was no rematch. That's not up for debate.
     
  10. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder fought absolutely nobody and when he finally did, he lost every fight. Of course he can beat Briggs, but that would be the best win of his entire career.
     
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  11. Joeywill

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    Who cares what the judges had it. That fight clearly wasn't going the distance.

    I agree that its speculation over who would win. I speculate that it would be Lennox Lewis would win since he was taking over and had more power and more fight experience.

    What's not speculation is that Lennox Lewis won by TKO in round 6 due to cuts on Vitali Klitschos face that were cause by punches
     
  12. Joeywill

    Joeywill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Disagree. I'd take the Ortiz that he fought over Briggs as far as ability goes.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I could completely dismantle this post but thought it is better for you to hear it yourself

    Chisora was offered the fight and said he didn't need it
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    So Chisora wasn't an option before he won the British title and then lost twice to Whyte, so when do you feel was the right time?

    Also just for reference Dubois hasn't fought Chisora
     
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  14. cuchulain

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    They are about the same, maybe a slight edge to Fury.

    IF Fury beats Usyk, he's clearly the better of the two.
    If he gets KO'd, there's a case for AJ.

    I think, best for best, AJ beats Fury h2h.
    And this fight may yet happen,
     
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  15. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why are you so defensive? I'm just pointing out it's weird they never fought. Don't read so much into it.