Past Heavyweights Who Beat Usyk

Peralta was a former Light Heavyweight who extended Foreman 10 rounds in a very competitive fight and extended him into the 11th round in their 2nd fight in again a competitive fight.

People like to make excuses for Foreman losing to Young but the reality is Young was a stylistic problem for Foreman end of.

Usyk is very capable of beating Foreman based on styles.

Why would Usyk be on the ropes vs Foreman ? Usyk has some of the best footwork of all time for a Heavyweight and is great at using angles his back never touched the ropes vs Joshua or Fury.

 

Look at George pre ali then post Ali. Does that look like the same fighter to you?
And George knocked Peralta out in the end didn't he?

Again, there will be those guys you just don't knock out sometimes. Tyson coudl'nt KO Tillis or Green. it happens.

Usyk isn't beating Foreman. No one who sits on the ground from what is a supposed low blow and again has nearly the same reaction against Joshua takes a 7 rouund beating to the body.

 

I don't think Usyk is an ATG heavyweight, but styles make fights, and I think his attributes are all wrong for Foreman. You disagree and that is absolutely fine brother man. I actually think old Foreman beats young Foreman by the way. And I don't think young Foreman is an ATG heavyweight.

 

The fact is a former Light Heavyweight in Peralta who isn't anywhere near as good as Usyk and who is considerably smaller than Usyk extended Foreman into the later rounds twice.

Young as I said comprehensively beat Foreman you can make all excuses you want the fact is Young was a stylistic problem for Foreman. Frazier is a come forward swarmer and Norton froze against punchers so they have no relevance to a tricky defensive boxer like Young.

Foreman doesn't have a good track record vs boxers or movers and Usyk would be of similar size to a 70s Foreman. Usyk definitely has a shot of getting into the later rounds vs Foreman and outpointing him.

 

Genius post, seriously. Can't dispute anything you posted, especially the last two sentences.

 

So you don't know anything about boxing or you just don't read what I wrote.

Let me pull up the biggest knockout artists and let me see if they had non knockout wins on their records;
Tyson had Mitch Green
Wlad had David Haye
Lewis had Holyfield or Mercer
Liston had Eddie Machen

Again. Sometimes a knockout artist just runs into people they for whatever reason cannot knock out. And the weirdest thing is George DID knock Peralta out later.
So no,Usyk doesn't survive, sorry man

 

So you're going to be disrespectful now because I don't agree with you ? Yeah I'm done with this conversation. You want to try and force your opinion on me sorry its not happening I favour Usyk based on styles end of and I'm entitled to my opinion.

 

1. Mike Tyson (86-8) - on stylistic paper easily the worst style matchup for Usyk, faster hands, devastating power and body work, and an incredibly fast starter
2. Lennox Lewis - a weapon jab, great power and when focussed and at his best very hard to beat H2H
3. Ali - although I'd favour Usyk, Ali's heart and IQ is hard to back against also
4. Joe Frazier - his relentless style would pose Usyk the same problems that Chisora did in the 1st 3 rounds but for the whole fight, and with better quality too
5. Marciano - walk through the fire to get the job done, although I'd favour Usyk

My reasoning is based on evidence of past fighters and stylistic matchups, based on the following:-


+ I still think that Briedis gave an absolute PRIME Usyk his toughest fight, and though I felt Usyk shaded it, it was closer to me than both Fury fights.
+ As good as Breids was, I don't think anyone would say that he was better in the attributes that Usyk struggled with than Tyson, Frazier or The Rock.

Usyk has always excelled with bigger guys, and his 'kryptonite' if he has any, is smaller, HARD fighters that are relentless, can match his workrate and can exploit the body and disrupt his flow - when Usyk get's into a rythym he is incredible, but Briedis done so well against Usyk IMO because he was able to break that rythym, work the body and force Usyk to reset more than normal.

The counter arguments to the list above might be:-

1. Mike Tyson - at core he was a bully, and Usyk would not be bullied or intimidated which certainly could be a factor.
2. Lennox Lewis - very few fights against southpaws, and none against elite southpaw.
3. Ali - the counter arguments to Ali is mostly that Usyk matches him in most of the intangibles that made Ali 'The Greatest' IMO
4. Joe Frazier - Frazier was small, and aside from Ali never really faced anyone with Usyk's skillset; I think Frazier beat Ali as much because Ali's trashtalk and dislike lit a huge fire under him. The best Frazier was one that fought Ali.
5. Marciano - was really a cruiser and didn't really beat many prime elite heavyweights. Usyk could potentially school him. But unlike Fury last night, the Rock would walk through the fire and take 4 to dish one out.

 

I think Bowe & Lewis along w/ many others beat Usyk. Sadly, the more I have watched & thought about it, the more I've come to realise kind of what I always thought but didn't want to. Tyson Fury is a good boxer but a very weak puncher. His size is somewhat irrelevant in that aspect. Doesn't matter how much he weighs. The dude is a soft puncher, period. I love Usyk, and he's very good. But he would not beat the likes of many of the ATG b/c this era I feel might be even weaker than I thought it was. Fury I think is a good heavy, but maybe not as good as some of us wanted to think he was.

 

Plenty beat usyk. Doesnt take away from the mans accomplishments.

Always say thats one of the hardest things to do in boxing move from the cruisers to the heavys and do well. Hes giving away loads to these giants and naturally bigger men. But he,d lose against the past heavyweight greats.

Without taking away anything from the man because what hes accomplished is up their with the best achievements in boxing.....Fury,s not got the engine or foot speed anymore and joshua has poor boxing iq to put usyk down as the best heavyweight ever.

Certainly the best heavy of the last 5 years.....and because of his terrific boxing skills he,d be competetive with most.

Tyson, foreman, ali, lewis and more beat him tho.

 

I love Usyk and I will say the same about him as I have said about Marciano. He has done everything that has been asked of him. He can only fight who's in front of him. Having said that, I fear this era might be even weaker than I suspected. Fury just can't punch w/ any authority whatsoever. Outside of the jab, he's not particularly fast. His power punches are looping and awkward. His recovery powers are amazing, but the more I think about it, they need to be here b/c he hits the floor so much.

The reality of the situation is I fear Fury just may not have ever been all that great.

This is not to take anything away from Usyk. He deserves ATG status like Marciano IMO. But to say he's one of THE ATG? Not ready to go there, b/c IMO he really hasn't fought another ATG. Fury is ver good, but just not as good as I feel some of us wanted him to be. Could make the case he's actually lost his has 3 fights and should've been stopped v. Otto W who will be nothing more than a footnote in boxing history.

No, Usyk is great, but I suspect the 70's & 90's era would have been tough on him.

 

I dont see liston,Frazier or Louis beating usyk tbh

 

Frazier I believe can because he's a relentless swarmer with a high engine which is a poison style for boxer types.

FOTC Frazier would be hell for Usyk.

 

Over 15 rounds I cannot see Usyk surviving versus Rocky: Usyk doesn't have the power to stop Rocky, who was tougher, more durable, was in better shape and would hurt Usyk badly. Rocky would stop Usyk in the later rounds.