Peak Joe Frazier Versus Peak Oleksandr Usyk

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ThatOne, Dec 22, 2024.


Who wins?

  1. Joe

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  2. Oleksandr

    26.9%
  1. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    I love both guys, but I point out that Joe does not have the southpaw killing right hand.

    But this is a great, close fight. No one brings the pressure like Joe, and though the right was not great, it was good when delvered to the body.
     
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  3. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    At 200 pounds (his CW weight), Usyk loses to Joe but it's close. Joe never lands his vaunted left hook on the southpaw but amazingly out hustles OU.

    At 225, Usyk lands his left consistently and out boxes Joe to a decision.
     
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Very confidently pick Frazier and it's not that close
     
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  5. Jerry cooney

    Jerry cooney New Member Full Member

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    Frazier was just relentless, he just kept coming at you no matter what, he wa easy to hit, but that left hook hurt everyone Usyk is good, but the great Ali couldn't take the pressure Joe gave him, Usyk goes in 6 rounds.
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    As you like, sir. I love both these guys, and could see it either way.
     
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  7. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk would win, people seem to have this myth that pressure fighters are his kryptonite but the ones he had some trouble with are all bigger then Frazier and when other fighters tried they got countered hard. I don't think Frazier has the power or physical strength to really pressure Usyk effectively when even huge heavyweights like Dubois, Joshua and Fury couldn't and Usyk has the movement and ability to keep Frazier off him and either stop him late or win a clear decision
     
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  8. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    Joe Frazier is the worst opponent for Usyk.Smokin' Joe is the greatest pressure fighter
    in heavyweight history,inflicting tremendous pain with his body punching and great left hook.
    Unless an opponent had Foremanesque punching power he will go through Hell and a very
    likely defeat vs Frazier.
     
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  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Bredis isn't bigger than Frazier. Maybe an inch taller.
     
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  10. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Frazier wins as I've said before relentless elite swarmers are poison for boxers types fighters like Frazier and Tyson are bad match ups for Usyk.
     
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  11. Fitz56

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    He wasn't easy to hit he was upper great bob and weave
     
  12. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Usyk isn’t stopping Frazier in any universe.


    We have been through this many times . Ali threw the kitchen sink at Frazier and couldn’t stop him except in Manila in a 15 rounder. Ali both has a track record of stopping more durable fighters than Usyk and was a far better combination puncher and yet Frazier kept coming forward.

    Usyks pitty Pat combinations when he mixes up 1 or 2 hard shots with 3 soft ones aren’t going to stop Frazier.

    Huge heavyweights do not have the stamina or the ability to consistently dig to the body like Frazier. They can’t sustain his work rate. They can’t cut the ring like this.

    Usyk had plenty of trouble with Beterbiev and he would have much more trouble with Frazier. Everytime Usyk jabs, he risks being hit with a left hook to the liver or the head. He has never faced a guy who can cut the ring like that and throw relentless left hooks. His southpaw stance actually puts him at a disadvantage.
     
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  13. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Joe Frazier wrecks his body.
     
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