Oleksandr Usyk vs Muhammad Ali primes

? We are talking about 67 Ali. Not a 78 Ali who was completely worn out.

Different fighters age differently. By 1978, Ali had a lot of wars and was completely past it. He had been fighting at the top level for 16 years. Ali had had more fights vs top 10 heavies by 1978 than all the fights Usyk has had in his whole pro career.

Let's compare prime vs prime. 67 Ali vs 2018-2021 Usyk. It would be a competitive fight. I think some younger posters are selling Ali short and some classic posters are selling Usyk short.

 

And your problem is you don't respect modern fighters at all and don't acknowledge that modern fighters like Usyk or Fury would give any fighter in the past a hard fight and would be competitive in any era or that size actually matters. I can do the same by explaining why Usyk would give Ali a tough time but I doubt you care enough to actually listen since you're too stuck in nostalgia to acknowledge boxers in the past had flaws and weren't some perfect supermen who would demolish the giants of today. Maybe step in the gym and then you might understand but it easy to be a armchair analysis while knowing almost 0 about fighting.

 

There’s not that much between, not enough to look obvious or make or break the fight to me this isn’t Liston vs Ali this is two guys I’d consider fast that’s all. Timing wins out anyway - again, I think it’s more likely Ali wins but this is nowhere near a “”master class” or a one sided bout.

 

I’d be very interested in someone breaking down in detail how Ali beats Usyk if you wouldn’t mind, I always like to see breakdowns here we don’t see many often times it’s just buzz words and vague sentences.

 

At that level, even minor differences in speed matter. And i don't think its a small difference. Usyk will be facing a guy who can land a fraction of second before he can.

Usyk has yet to face a guy who can match his own speed, yet alone outspeed him. also has the stamina to keep up with him. I do think Usyk's left hand and awkward angles would give Ali a really tough night. I don't think it would be easy. But i do think the speed would be the difference.

 

You might be right, I just don’t think speed is as important as we want it to be here. It’s a fight between two smart guys who know how to box it’ll be decided on timing, both guys will be in shape but one of them will be a compete unknown to the other, Ali never faced a good southpaw let alone one who is the 1# of his generation.

 

Slower boxers then Usyk have hit and even knocked down Ali

 

Speed and reflexes would win the day. The Prime Ali was hard to hit at all because of his reflexes. I love watching his fights from 1964-1967. Wow!

Oleksandr Usyk is a great fighter, though, and we should appreciate what we have here right now.

 

You claim Usyk has individuals feeling uneasy and then come up with that as your trump?

Get the **** out of here and back into general

 

Ali clear winner IMO

 

Using the Ali of the Spinks fight as a metric of his peak value would be like using Kareem Abdul Jabbar's last year with the Lakers when he was 10/5/.475 as a metric of his. No sports fan with an inkling of knowledge judges an athlete when he's washed.

 

So you're using a faded 1978 version of Ali who had early stages of parkinsons after being hit about 200 times flush from one of the hardest hitters of all time in Shavers.

Ali fought wars vs the likes of Frazier, Foreman, not a guy who almost lost to an MMA fighter in Fury and Joshua the man who got beat up by tubby Ruiz.

We can all choose our narrative to discredit a fighter as I did above in response to what you said. Usyk is a great fighter but I don't see why you have to consistently put down older fighters to make Usyk look better.

 

Fury almost lost a decision to a MMA fighter making his pro debut after tasting the canvas. He escaped with a split decision.

 

Your ability to demonstrate how little you know in so few words is, at the same time, both truly laughable and ironically quite impressive.

 

The orthodox fighter must have the ability to keep
his lead foot outside of the south paws lead foot consistently , quick
enough to land the lead right hand. Very few fighters have the ability, (But Ali was one)
That's the key to it against a slick south paw.
Fighters like Ray Robinson, Roy Jones Jr., Ray Leonard and of course
Ali had that ability , they also didn't have many issues with southpaws
as most fighters with average ability usually did.
Also keep in mind , Usyk is static with his head, its always
at one level, also he does more blocking with his hands and
arms, than slipping and countering, that works against
the opponents he's been in against, that in general
are not very good at putting punches together seamlessly,
it wouldn't work
against a premier combination puncher.
He has (Usyk) good feet movement in comparison
to the lumbering big men he's faced.
But how would he deal with someone that could
match him and were superior to him with their
feet?
Usyk has proven to the world better skills
can overcome superior size.
I appreciate that of him.
Doesn't mean he's the greatest heavyweight in
history or close to it TBH.