Usyk's cruiserweight run counts toward his Heavyweight greatness

In terms of size you're correct. CW is literally HW. But what we have here is HW AAA and big 175ers. Foster who'd be a CW today went up to HW in that era and got beaten easily by Ali and Frazier.

 

You're still missing the point.

Opetai right now is the CW champion. But you can't call him HW because he isn't fighting in an uncapped division. The champion of the uncapped division is Usyk.

Ali had no champion above him. His opponents did not have to make weight.

You've missed the point.

 

Their best wins were guys who could comfortably make cruiserweight

 

There is no real discussion because you're point is missed.

CW is a capped division, with a division above it.

Opetai has never fought a championship fight against someone who can weigh whatever they want.

 

Obviously you didn't read my post and missed the part about "can't compare different era's"

I'm also not interested in you bringing up Cruiserweight sized Heavyweights for 100th time.

 

Pull up those who fought in a higher division than Ali when he was champ.

Or duck the challenge and run away.

Quack quack.

 

The very second you show me the weights of those competing in a division above Ali, I will debate you on your flawed premise.

But if course you won't.

Just like dealing with flat earthers.

B bu but 220 doe

 

Thanks I appreciate it.

 

Liston and Foreman did fight some bigger guys, notably above 200 lb - which wasn’t the case for Usyk while fighting at CW.

As to in ring weights, perhaps we could list all those actually available for Olek and his CW opposition. I recall some speculating that the rehydration was seeing some CW (incl. Uysk) hitting the ring at 220 lbs.

The most I recall seeing for Usyk’s in ring weight was about 214 lbs or so, but I could be wrong but certainly it seemed the data for his fight night weights wasn’t available for all of his CW fights.

 

Just to clarify DP, CJ46 was replying to my post and its content.