Usyk's cruiserweight run counts toward his Heavyweight greatness

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't miss anything. How about you go find a list of Ali's opponents weights and we can have a look.

    I can and will conflate CW and HW with respect to comparisons against Golden Era heavyweights for one reason: cruisers of today would have been average to above average sized heavies back then. Whether or not both fighters are boiling down a bit and rehydrating isn't relevant. These are big men who would have either contended or been heavyweight champions in the 70's. Usyk beat them.
     
  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In terms of size you're correct. CW is literally HW. But what we have here is HW AAA and big 175ers. Foster who'd be a CW today went up to HW in that era and got beaten easily by Ali and Frazier.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You're still missing the point.

    Opetai right now is the CW champion. But you can't call him HW because he isn't fighting in an uncapped division. The champion of the uncapped division is Usyk.

    Ali had no champion above him. His opponents did not have to make weight.

    You've missed the point.
     
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  4. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're just repeating "you've missed the point" over and over without being able to digest my point.

    I don't know that you're capable of seeing nuance on this topic and it doesn't seem worth drawing it out in a crayon for you. You are free to address my previous points if you want to have a real discussion.
     
  5. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Their best wins were guys who could comfortably make cruiserweight
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    There is no real discussion because you're point is missed.

    CW is a capped division, with a division above it.

    Opetai has never fought a championship fight against someone who can weigh whatever they want.
     
  7. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pull up Ali's opponents weights.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously you didn't read my post and missed the part about "can't compare different era's"

    I'm also not interested in you bringing up Cruiserweight sized Heavyweights for 100th time.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    Pull up those who fought in a higher division than Ali when he was champ.

    Or duck the challenge and run away.

    Quack quack.
     
  10. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your whole point is that because bigger men were competing in the sport at the same time, a bout between two 210 pound guys doesn't count when comparing it to a different era where 210 pound guys fought. That's beyond stupid. We're comparing eras meaning we can compare how Usyk fared against ELITE competition the size of the competition of the era we're comparing it to. The fact that you can't grasp that is shocking.

    Look up Ali's opponents weights and compare them to the weights of Usyk's opponents for his cruiserweight run. But you won't do this because you know you're wrong.
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    The very second you show me the weights of those competing in a division above Ali, I will debate you on your flawed premise.

    But if course you won't.

    Just like dealing with flat earthers.

    B bu but 220 doe
     
  12. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have no interest in debating anything with you. You seem actually dumb. Blocked.
     
  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Thanks I appreciate it.
     
  14. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Liston and Foreman did fight some bigger guys, notably above 200 lb - which wasn’t the case for Usyk while fighting at CW.

    As to in ring weights, perhaps we could list all those actually available for Olek and his CW opposition. I recall some speculating that the rehydration was seeing some CW (incl. Uysk) hitting the ring at 220 lbs.

    The most I recall seeing for Usyk’s in ring weight was about 214 lbs or so, but I could be wrong but certainly it seemed the data for his fight night weights wasn’t available for all of his CW fights.
     
  15. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Just to clarify DP, CJ46 was replying to my post and its content.
     
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