Usyk is only behind Floyd Mayweather in the last 20 years, surpassing Manny Pacquiao

Absolutely.

 

That’s great.

But at the moment, he simply has an inferior resume.

So under traditional ranking criteria, he can’t rank higher.

Not unless you’re personally just debating purely on ability, where you believe that Terrence is on another level.

 

Really?

 

Absolutely. But I just don’t think that it’s a blow out in his favour.

 

Oscar was merely an example.

The Bellew win was a good win. Bellew only retired because he’d got nothing left to achieve. He wasn’t damaged goods.

Yes, you can pick holes and look negatively at anybody’s resume.

I never said that Manny and Floyd don’t have superior resumes.

Only that they don’t blow Usyk’s out of the water.

 

Because he's arguably the best fighter in the past 30 years and they hate him

 

Part of it is Floyd wanted to be hated. He played the role of a villain and basically told everyone who would listen he’s unbeatable and the greatest fighter to ever live. Greater than Ali, Robinson, Leonard, etc. What also added on to him being hated is his life outside the ring. He made himself hard to like and it made people believe that he wasn’t just playing a character. That’s who he really is. So when you add all of that, people weren’t going to give him a pass for anything. Anything he did was criticized. If a fight they wanted to see didn’t happen, it was all Floyd’s fault. If a fight didn’t happen when they wanted it to happen it’s all Floyd’s fault. Once again, Floyd added to this. Whenever questioned he would talk about his health or someone being with a different promotional company. He added fuel to the fire.

A lot of the time with hate, it brings unfair criticism. Yes Floyd deserves to be criticized. He didn’t have a perfect career. He accomplished a ton but he didn’t accomplish everything. But when evaluating someone’s legacy, IMO you have to put the hate to the side. Bottom line is Floyd even with his faults had an amazing career. He accomplished a lot. When he retired he had won the most world titles in boxing history. Beat the most world champions. 26-0 in title fights. Over half his career was title fights. Was a top 10 P4P fighter for 17 out of 20 years. Number 1 P4P in 7 of those years. Has 9 hall of famers on his resume which is the most since Ali. If he adds one more hall of famer, that places him in the top 5 in the history of the sport in terms of hall of famers beaten. He beat 17 consecutive past or current champions which is a record. He holds the record for most world titles held at once with 5. Fighter of the decade. Was awarded fighter of the year 5 times between the BWAA and Ring Magazine. He’s the second youngest fighter in Ring Magazine history to win fighter of the year (Tyson being first). I can go on and on. These are insane accomplishments but because of hate, people will ignore them or downplay them. TBH, it shouldn’t even be a argument on who is greater between Floyd/Manny vs Usyk. They accomplished far more.

 

I think Pacquiao and RJJ have separated themselves from the rest of the pack. Going by the last 30 years.

What Roy Jones did to Toney is reach a level that Mayweather or Usyk never did reach. Floyd and Usyk are great fighters, but fall short of the RJJ and Pac, IMO.

 

I disagree about Floyd
I think he's that level, but he was safety first

I do think pac was a phenom though

 

Tiberi 116-112

 

It’s called class. Usyk is being modest and not tooting his own horn like dumb dumb mayweather and even crawford does. Of course he’ll say something like that. The only reason he didn’t say Loma’s name is he was going by rankings and also didn’t wanna seem bias.

Stuff life classiness and being humble… you can’t teach certain fighters.

Anyway, Usyk’s resume shits all over crawfords.

 

It’s surprising that they weren’t more fights like that on his resume.

He was fighting every 2 months at that point.

 

True but I gotta say though, THAT particular fight could go under the definition of “Gift Decision” lol

I agree with many that the term ‘Gift decision’ gets thrown around wayyyy too much. It’s used with every close fight. But when a fighter like Tiberi actually outworks and legit gets the better of a guy who frankly was supposed to murder him on live television… That’s a GIFT to Toney But $$ talks and they wanted Toney vs a few really big names back then. I think it was Jones Jr…

 

James has said himself that he lost.

But he wasn’t fully fit or motivated, as he’d just fought the great Mike McCallum.

Tiberi was offered a rematch, but he retired.

 

Uhhh whose the 2nd best HW? Joshua???