Past Heavyweights Who Beat Usyk

Because he can not and never has fought in that style. Its like saying why didn't Tyson employ Ali tactics to beat Holyfield. Usyk bounces around jousting throwing 1-2s , that how he has always fought and always will.

 

Yes--it was an era of fat and drug addicted heavies. The ones you named had lost their titles and were on the downside.

Were you alive then? You might want to actually read what reporters thought about some of these guys and Tyson's division in general.

 

fat era? You must be talking about this era. The fighters tyson fought were all in great shape in the 220-230 pound range, other than tony tubbs. You are literally just saying stuff.

berbick 218lbs
bonecrusher smith 233lbs at 6'4
pinklin thomas 218
tucker 221 at 6'5
tyrell biggs 228 at 6'5
bruno 228 - 6'3
carl williams 218 , 6'4
buster douglas 231 , 6'4

There is a list of your supposed fat drug addicts.

Alive? I watched the fights back then unlike you.

 

The era and the top ten includes more than just Tyson's opponents. The fat boy on his list was Tubbs. But yes, Tubbs, Tucker. Thomas, and Biggs were all drug addicts in a downward spiral.

You are really just showing what you don't know about the era.

 

Tyson Fury used very different tactics in the Wilder rematch than he did in the first fight pressuring Wilder and forcing him backwards so he couldn't set himself. What's to stop Usyk from doing something similar?

For example more clinching to stifle Tysons offense after throwing his own punches?

 

Tucker was 29, 34-0 and the IBF champ. Biggs was 27 years old and 15-0, but according to you on the downward spiral. We are talking about tysons opponents it does not matter if the rest were fat anyway.

 

Fury has the size to make that style work, pretty sure he has fought like that in the past before , not just not against Wilder? and he is a gritty style of fighter anyway. Usyk is not going to stand there and fight on the inside with Tyson, that is not in his DNA and he is not as durable as holyfield especially to the body.

 

After what you have written... I still think Usyk beats Tyson 8 times out of 10. You are underestimating Usyk's speed, inside game and footwork and body resistsnce. Tyson has punchers chance, but Usyk's footwork and technical skills would brought Usyk to the UD. And Tyson would probably bite his leg and get DQ anyway.

 

When has Usyk ever employed Evander’s tactics?

They don’t fight anything alike.

Two completely different fighters, with completely different styles.


Daniel has great power, as well as very good speed for his size.


What made Mike so unique, was his size, speed and his style. The whole package.

He was small. Exceptionally fast. He had a unique bob and weave/peek a boo style, with great upper body and head movement, which got him on the inside of fighters.

It made him extremely elusive.

He was also a switch hitter, where he threw power punches from each stance.

He was explosive.

He was great on the inside, where he threw blistering body shots and uppercuts.

A small, fast and ferocious, power punching pressure fighter.


Most HW’s have power.

Many of them are fast.

Daniel is a very good fighter.

However, he bares no resemblance to Mike, and is nowhere near as unique and dangerous.

There’s many, many HW’s with the traits of Daniel Dubois. But there has never been another Mike Tyson.

We have had similar HW’s such as Marciano, Tua and Frazier, but nothing exactly like Mike.


From Usyk’s perspective, Dubois isn’t difficult to fight, as we’ve seen. Because he can use his great gifts to out manoeuvre him, just like he also did with AJ and Fury.

Fighting Mike would have been a completely different proposition though.

Usyk simply hasn’t got the attributes to have kept Mike off of him.


It’s not about who was the better fighter and who ranks higher.

It’s just a matter of styles.

How they’d have matched up on the night stylistically.

Mike would have been a terrible stylistic match up for a technician with limited power.

 

We established a long time ago, that you didn’t in any way apply context.


You literally wrote:

“38”

“Blown up LHW”

 

Peak Hokyfield could fight at pace for twelve, fifteen or twenty rounds. An animal.

 

Like I’ve noted on the other thread, you’re very emotional.

Once again, I’m a huge fan of Usyk’s. I have literally repeatedly labelled the man as being a genius, across a number of threads.

You can go and see that for yourself.


I can assure you that I know plenty about the sport, as I’ve literally studied it for well over 30 years now.

It doesn’t matter where Usyk ranks.

It doesn’t matter if you rank him higher than Mike.

It doesn’t matter if you think he’s better, with a superior resume.

None of it is relevant.

The ONLY thing of relevance, is how they’d have matched up stylistically.

Now this is one of the easiest fights to predict.


It doesn’t matter if Usyk is 6’3 and 220 pounds.

He is an incredible technician, but with limited power.

He’s a chess master.

However, Mike would not have engaged him in a boxing match.


Ali had the same dimensions as Usyk, and was even faster. But Frazier was his kryptonite, because he cut down his time and space with pressure and power. He suffocated him on the inside.


Now you have insulted me and questioned my knowledge. And that’s ironic, as you don’t posses any knowledge yourself, where you’ve typed things such as “Usyk would have enjoyed being the taller guy with the bigger reach”

That right there exposes your lack of knowledge, as again, Mike wouldn’t have given him the time or space to have utilised those things. He wouldn’t have enjoyed any reach advantage, because he wouldn’t have been jabbing him from a distance. Ali had no physical advantages against Frazier, because Frazier’s relentless style didn’t give Ali the opportunity to have a significant reach advantage. Ali couldn’t keep him off of him. And the same thing would apply here.


Mike had power all throughout a fight. He was throwing power punches against Ruddock in the last round. He’d have kept Usyk on the defensive all night with his pressure and his power punches. You had to beat Mike down in order to stop him. And Usyk doesn’t fight aggressively and offensively like that, and he hasn’t got the power to have stopped Mike. You are talking nonsense.

He wouldn’t have popped Mike with his jab.

He wouldn’t have been prepared for Mike’s body attack accordingly.

We have seen him vulnerable and hurt, against Beterbiev and Dubois.

And Mike was a tremendous body punching inside fighter, and from two stances.


Being the greatest southpaw in history also means nothing. How many southpaws did Mike fight?

Well how many elite southpaws did Mairis Breidis fight?

Usyk barely beat Breidis in his prime, because Breidis gave him a great, physical up close fight.


So again, read carefully:

Usyk does not possess the strength, style or power, to have stopped Mike from pressuring him on the inside.

 

Jesus! That's ice cold. ....and not untrue

 

What are you talking about?

I never said that Chisora shared traits.

I said that he struggled with Chisora in sections of their fight.


Yes, Chisora has no traits with Mike.

Mike was superior in every way.


So think about this logically.

If Usyk had issues with Beterbiev, Chisora, Dubois and Fury, when they got up close and physical with him, then what on earth do you think Mike Tyson would have done, who was superior to all of those guys in every way??


We don’t need to hire Columbo to figure this out.

Mike was a small and fast, ferocious, power punching pressure fighter, who possessed great stamina and a great chin.


A terrible stylistic match up for a technician with limited power.

 

He's 335-15 as an amateur, a gold medalist, a 2 weight class champion & the 1st undisputed in 20 years. Plus.....he's undefeated.

I posted something similar to what you are saying in another thread about the body of work being small...agreed. But nonetheless he's an all time great b/c he's proven to be the best of his era. That's all you can do and he's done it. He deserves his place in history if he's an undefeated champ b/c the only losses you can discuss about him is purely theoretical. Being an ATG doesn't mean I believe he's the greatest. Only that he fits in a classification of "higher tier champions" who've accomplished more than most. Ali beating the all of the best in one of the toughest eras after a 3 year exile, Foreman winning 2 titles over a decade apart, Marciano and his 49-0, Lewis going undisputed, Holyfield winning the title 4 times, etc. All of these are exceptional accomplishments that leave other champions behind & I believe Usyk belongs in this grouping right now. I think he loses that status some if he loses b/c as you stated the body of work is small. Essentially in my mind he needs to stay undefeated to stay in that tier b/c his work is small.