Sugar Ray Robinson vs The Old Mongoose

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Who wins and how

  1. Robinson KO/TKO

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  2. Moore KO/TKO

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  3. Robinson Decision

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  4. Moore Decision

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  5. Draw

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Let's say in 52, instead of meeting Maxim, he met Archie Moore. Could Robinson get an ATG win against the Mongoose
     
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    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Moore had a weakness to fighters that could outblitz him, that's how he lost to Ezzard thrice and a few black murderers, SRR could o this.

    But I'm probably putting it a draw too,a reminder that LaMotta gave Robinson problems,and why couldn't Archie do it so?
     
  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    You don't think Moore would be too big, he was a top flight light heavyweight and he was also a reasonably successful heavyweight. At heavyweight, he only lost to the very best (Marciano, Patterson and Ali).
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sometimes a mountain is to high to climb.
    Even for the greatest boxer to ever lace them on.
    Ray Robinson wasn't a big middleweight, his weight the night he fought J.Maxim was only 159-160, in comparison to Maxim at 175.
    Now were going to put him in against an ATG Lt. Heavy in Moore? One of the top 3-4 Lt. Heavyweights in history, from a talent rich division? I Just don't see it.
    I love Robinson but sometimes the mountain is to high.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Need to know temperature, humidity, dew point and barometric pressure.

    Above 160 pounds, Ray was susceptible to atmospheric conditions.
     
  6. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    SRR was stupendously great but Archie is a bridge too far for him. He might not see the final bell. Archie had considerably more pop than Joey Maxim.
     
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Robinson was never stopped, then again, he was never hit by an ATG light heavyweight puncher.
     
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    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Moore gets to him and stops him. Moore was an elite versatile fighter who could fight in many ways, he could box, but when he had to or chose to, he could close the ring off apply educated pressure, as he did against Harold Johnson.
    If he could do it against prime Harold Johnson at 37, he certainly would against Sugar Ray Robinson who was probably an optimal 154lbs fighter if there was that weight division back then.
    Robinson at 154lbs would’ve been the same at the weight as Moore at 175lbs, Moore is the much bigger man who indeed has the skill to use his physical attributes.
     
  9. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    SRR is at the very top of the tree for combination punching. Moore is at the very top of the tree for knock out artists. However, so is SRR - more fluid, more creative with his punches and faster - and then what?

    SRR is an elite boxer, so is Moore. SRR is a 155 lbs fighter and Moore comfortably sits at 175 lbs and can go higher and retain all his skills. SRR will outspeed him and Moore probably becomes first and only man to stop him as after that, SRR would never venture up again.

    SRR knew his limits - he picked who he picked when he went up for a reason. The same way that RJJ fought Ruiz and didn't make noise at other available titlists/top fighters at the time.
     
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    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    He picked who he picked for a reason is correct but not for the reason you are implying. Joey Maxim was the world light heavy champion, the only one. That was why Robinson picked him.
    I agree with your assessment of a Robinson v Moore match up.
     
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    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes - 'tis true. Robbi was a clever, somewhat opportunistic fighter with a view of making history.

    Had Moore been the champ, I'm absolutely certain that he wouldn't have challenged for the title.
     
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    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Archie by wide UD.
     
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    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He was never hit by Moore though who floored Marciano.
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 Full Member

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    Moore might’ve lost to Robinson at 160lbs? I don’t know though I think why Burley could do it, Is because he was quite a bit more cautious… Robinson was a very physical fighter, he wasn’t much of a jab, jive and stay slick sort of fighter he was an attacker and I think at 175lbs Moore was too big and smart I can’t think of an area where Robinson would outdo him by much… Archie wasn’t far off being a heavyweight I could conceive AM actually KOing Robinson at some point, he only really loved to his left and Archie would slowly be putting him in line for the right all night methinks.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    This is a blatant mismatch and it's rather obvious.
     
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