Usyk is only behind Floyd Mayweather in the last 20 years, surpassing Manny Pacquiao

GlaukosTheHammer,


I’m not sure if you’re trolling me, or if there’s been some sort of a language barrier/misunderstanding, but your post is absolutely bizarre.

Okay.

The first thing that you need to do, is to go back and actually READ what I typed.

You struggle to see my point??

I didn’t say why??


What are you talking about?

I couldn’t have been anymore clearer.

I literally gave you a breakdown.


I’ll try one more time for you:

In terms of ability, accomplishments and resume, Ward and Calzaghe are inferior.


Ward and Calzaghe were not more skilled.

They did not achieve as much.

Their resumes are no way near as strong and deep.


Is that clear enough for you?

How have I been mysterious?

I have literally given you THREE valid reasons:

Ability.

Accomplishments.

Resume.

I didn’t cry.

I simply applied context, and said to you:

“Yes, Joe beat 2 P4P greats, but that Roy Jones was a SHOT fighter at that point, and that Joe barely beat Hopkins who was 43 years old”


Cognitive capacity?

WTF?

Do you know what the word CONTEXT means?


You don’t rate a win on name value.

You rate a win based upon the quality of the opponent at the time.


Roy Jones in his PRIME, was one of the GREATEST fighters to ever put on a pair of gloves.

However, the SPECIFIC VERSION who Joe fought, was about to turn 40 years old, where he’d not had a top level win in 5 years.

Now Joe Calzaghe himself literally said that Roy Jones was shot, even before they fought.


So: Beating a shot version of Roy Jones, wasn’t as great as where Usyk moved up and beat Fury and AJ.


Do you get that?

That is applying CONTEXT.


You’re not just comparing P4P names.


Let’s just make it very SIMPLE:

List Joe’s best wins.

List Usyk’s best wins.


Joe’s wins don’t even compare.

Therefore, Usyk CLEARLY has the better OVERALL resume.

1. Nobody has cried.

2. I was a HUGE fan of Andre’s.

He was my favourite fighter when he was active.


However, once again:


1. Andre was not more skilled than Usyk.

2. He did not accomplish as much.

3. His overall resume isn’t as strong or as deep.

We can compare them if you want.

What are you talking about exactly?

The man took HUGE risks.


He fought JMM 4 times.

He fought Morales multiple times.

He fought MAB multiple times.

He fought Oscar, Hatton, Floyd, Cotto and Marg etc.


He pushed himself to the max.

He took huge risks.


His accomplishments DWARF those of Andre and Joe.

Their resumes are simply incomparable.


No, he didn’t purposely fight Floyd’s leftovers, and again, he beat fresher versions of Cotto and JMM.

Look, I’m going to be 100% honest with you.

I have posted here for years. But this is honestly one of the most bizarre posts that I’ve read.


I can’t even manage a conversation?

Again, I have told you SPECIFICALLY why I don’t agree with your rankings, and I have given you THREE valid reasons as to why.


I’m not even worth your time?

I am here to debate.


I have been polite.

I have been crystal clear.


Come back and we’ll debate.

But if you wish to, I’ll politely request that you reread my previous posts.

Because you have insulted me and asked me for reasonings, which I have very clearly given you.


So you’re either baiting me, or there has been huge misunderstandings.

 

Usyk, Canelo, Ward and Calzaghe being ranked over Pacquiao?

Good lord.

 

Have you just followed our conversation?

Absolutely bizarre!

 

If you think the conversation is bizarre get a load of this.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/god-of-boxing-heads-of-oak.727973/

 

Ha!

 

MVC "Mayweather really tastes like chicken!"

 

@Dynamicpuncher

I’d love to read your thoughts on this.

I’m still scratching my head.

I don’t know if I’ve been trolled or not.

 

Another child with just enough ability to cry in public.

I must be really, really, out there because where I sit you've already embarrassed yourself. It's real mystery how this one would go. It'd be very different from the last jabroni who had nothing to talk about except their feelings. ... ... ... so ... very ... different.


Do you guys lack sense or balls? I am legitimately confused and don't mind being the punching bag to get some level of understanding on you. How are you not being a child?

 

You’re either a troll.

Or you have some serious mental health issues.


Just to let you know:

Manny PAC had more P4P/HOF wins than BOTH Joe and Andre.


Is that simple enough for you to understand??


Manny also:

Achieved more

Has a resume that was light years ahead of both Joe and Andre.


So what criteria are you using to rank these guys?

We’d all love to know.


Because nobody would rank Calzaghe higher than Manny.

The best win of Joe’s ENTIRE CAREER, was over a 43 year old former MW, who’d already lost twice to Taylor, 3 years EARLIER.


Thanks.

 

No sensible or credible person that actually knows boxing would rank Usyk, Canelo, Ward, or Calzaghe over Pacquiao. That's just absolute nonsense and you know it.

You're not worth the time, jabroni.

 

No credible person who actually knows boxing ... Last post from you I read was you trying to make fun of me for sharing my work in ancient boxing history ... ... ... but sure ... it is opinions that make us credible ... you're not a stupid child, you've done very well!



I'm not worth your time? Then why did you quote me to let me know your feelings and literally nothing else? What up with that Samantha?

 

He says that Joe has P4P wins, without applying the relevant context.

Yet he then completely omits a guy who had far more P4P wins.

So we’re obviously dealing with someone very special here.

I’d love to know what his criteria is.

How bizarre.

 

Give over dude uysk as a passport

 

Surely now even you give him credit.

You expected Fury to win the rematch and Usyk proved him wrong.

He's beaten the top 3 in the division now.

What more can he do to impress you in the ring?

 

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Thanks. I appreciate that.

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If Floyd and Usyk were the same weight, Floyd wins. That's why one of the reasons why I can't rate Usyk higher than Floyd. Skill wise ? Floyd is about as talented at the sweet science as any fighter ever. He mastered the hit and not be hit portion of the sport like few others have. Usyk is not a master boxer compared to Mayweather. Inside fighting capabilities and movement are all attributes that Mayweather has better than Usyk and Uysk struggles to also throw hooks or shorten his punches. He is predominately a distance - mid range fighter.

The stereotype that all eastern European fighters are technical geniuses, is something that Usyk benefits from within the media. Usyk is a solid fighter, and there is no denying his achievements, but when you break him down and analyse his attributes he’s not doing anything, we have never seen before'.

Fury, as a big super heavyweight, should of just stuck his jab out. Done some work at mid-range and then tied Usyk on the inside' Over and over again, that is what Lennox Lewis would have done, and so would of Wladimir Kiltschko'.

It was Fury’s (and AJ's) inability to fight like a good big man, which lost them the fight.

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Usyk isn't incredibly skilled in any area. He's good in all areas. He's the "finds a way to win" guy.

Which is awesome.

But just imagine for a second that you didn't know who Usyk was, and you watched him fight.

I think, if you were being honest, you'd be underwhelmed with his power, his speed....you'd see he has good defence and feet but isn't a shockingly talented fighter. He just frustrates guys with his toughness.

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And he never gave any of them a beatdown or a total schooling. All were very competitive fights

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And he never gave any of them a beatdown or a total schooling. All were very competitive fights

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And he never gave any of them a beatdown or a total schooling. All were very competitive fights

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And he never gave any of them a beatdown or a total schooling. All were very competitive fights

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You don't.

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In terms of accomplishments, I agree, it's very impressive. But he's still not high up on my list of greatest fighters of the last 20 years because his accomplishments are much greater than his ability, and that's proven by the fact he's never given an elite fighter a beatdown or a total schooling.

Also, greats like Wayne Gretzky, Don Bradman (Cricket), Michael Jordan, Hicham El Guerrouj (Athletics) Teddy Riner (Judo) Usain Bolt, Nafi Thiam (Athletics) Jack Nicholas, Ma Long (Table Tennis), Emile Zatopek (Athletics) Micheal Phelps, Steph Curry, Kobi, LeBron, Djokovic, Federer, Sachin Tendulkar (Cricket), Brian Lara (Cricket) and Shane Warne (Cricket), Nadal was the fact that they sustained it over time.

Usyk has not done that.

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I agree

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That's fine, no problem. This is a forum after all with differing opinions.

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OK