Boxing will take a hit of Bud, Beterbiev and Usyk retire undefeated

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  1. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    You could argue boxing will improve when they retire because none of them are popular fighters. How is it good for boxing to have an unpopular undisputed HW that nobody would recognise walking down the street in the US? (or almost anywhere in the world) Usyk took away the star power of the biggest HW stars in Fury and AJ by beating them.

    Crawford has barely fought since 2020, he's not relevant at all.

    Beterbiev is another unpopular fighter who has not even made it to PPV and largely inactive through his whole career. Them retiring will create the opportunity for popular fighters to emerge. Boxings biggest problem these days is popularity.
     
  2. junkhead

    junkhead My dogs watch me post Full Member

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    I do agree from a popularity point of view it may be good, I guess I'm more talking about the concept of hot vs weak eras. I feel there's a risk now that their retirements are going to lead to a perceived 'weak era' of boxing in their spheres of influence (that is, ww, lmw, lhw and hw).
     
  3. kirk

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    I love the spirit of your post and dont want to nitpick, I completely agree that these guys deserve their praises... but, outside of Usyk, Pacs career eclipses them all combined, imo,

    I dont think its fair to taint Pacs legacy the way youre kinda doing in this post by lumping him in as a diva, and almost faulting him for being A side or for being a superstar or maybe alluding that he didnt do it the hard way.

    Pac got the benefit of being a superstar because he put in the work year after year and division after division to become a superstar, by fighting HOFer after HOFer after HOFer and making the fights fans wanted to see. Something Beterbiev and Crawford havent done or havent had the opportunity to do.

    Just because he fumbled the Mayweather fight, which was as much if not more Mayweathers fault, doesnt overshadow that he had an entire career of making the biggest and best fights for a career.

    As for asterisks, Beterbiev, Crawford and Usyk have them too, just like Pac does. Only they have them in like half as many significant fights.

    I just dont think its really putting the Pac/Mayweather era in its proper light. That era easily eclipses this one imo. Crawford has fought once a year since weve left 2019, practically an entire era has gone by of him doing that. Inoue is fighting people nobody cares about in fights hes -10,000 in, and Beterbiev just fought an actual legacy fight at 40 years of age.

    Crawford and Beterbiev, as much as I like them I have to admit that with their lack of activity and their lack of making big fights happen, or lack of big fights available to them, havent really been that good for boxing, imo.
     
  4. kirk

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    Interesting post, I agree that a sport can be better off when the torch is passed, and that its getting to the point now where these three will cast long shadows over the division. They are all getting to the age though, despite their good form, where beating them now will mean less than than their names suggest.

    Main reason I replied though is I didnt realise theres been so few unbeaten champions in history? I know at heavyweight there was only Marciano right? But didnt realise it was that rare in the rest of boxing.

    Ill have to go look for a list now of who they all were.

    It has to be one of the rarest things in boxing then really lol.

    That being said, I really doubt Beterbiev or Usyk will retire undefeated. Uysk seems set on fighting on, and at his age, style and division, just a matter of time before he loses to someone he would have beaten a year ago.

    And Beterbiev could very well lose this Bivol rematch.

    Crawford vs Canelo is still a possibility and Crawford could potentially lose that.

    So I think theres still a long ways to go before any of these guys do get to join that rare company, but its an interesting topic.
     
  5. junkhead

    junkhead My dogs watch me post Full Member

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    I feel it's rare enough that there's a lot of implications for fan perspective if it happens. It pretty conclusively raises the bar for the concept of greatness and will leave a lot of fighters outshone. Retiring undefeated is obviously every champions goal, but it's so rare that it happens that it IS special in my opinion. I think one retiring undefeated wouldn't be too impactful, but three essentially at once may have a fair impact. I mean look at the current champs at WW or LMW, in my opinion none of them currently could beat Bud, and any up and coming fighters that dethrones those other champs will lose a lot of shine for their accomplishment by virtue of that fact. If Beterbiev beats Bivol and retires undefeated it takes away so much from the next up and comer who potentially beats Bivol, because Beterbiev already did it, and he's out of reach to challenge.

    Like from my perspective, I think if they manage to retire undefeated it's amazing accomplishments, and I feel it'd be such a historical moment for the sport, and I don't feeeel it's too unrealistic that it may happen. But I think for overall boxing hype, it may take the shine off the next generation of fighters.
     
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  6. jaytxxl

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    I’m fine with it as long as the elite matches that could have been made happened at the right time. Bud fought Errol, Inoue fought those fighters available to him and Usyk fought every premier fighter in CW and HW minus Wilder(who was no longer at the upper echelon).

    Retiring undefeated is usually a problem when there’s other elite opponents available but in all guys cases that’s not an issue. Maybe Inoue still have an opponent out there but Usyk and Bud are pretty much in the clear.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Of course Pac eclipses then, he's one of the greatest fighters ever.

    But when it was Mayweather/PAC/Canelo on top, everything was always a out who's the a -side and I hated that side of things tbh.

    With the current crop, they've just cracked on regardless of who the a side is. That's why I prefer it.

    I think it been better for boxing tbh, look how many complete unifications we've seen with these guys.
     
  8. Mark Anthony

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    The Pac/ Floyd era was the worst in history.
     
  9. Mark Anthony

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    Canelo wasn`t a part of the Pac/Floyd era, he cracked the top 3 P4P long after his loss to Floyd, Manny and Floyd were far bigger stars than Canelo in 2013, Canelo stock went through the roof after he beat GGG when Floyd and Manny were in the winter/autumn of there careers.
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    2005 - 2022 was dominated by Floyd, PAC and Canelo. That's a near 20 year period where every big fight involved discussions about who the a side was or wasn't.
     
  11. Mark Anthony

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    Why 20 years? Who were the top 3 stars from 1985-2005?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    What are you going on about?

    I said for nearly 20 years boxing has been dominated by Floyd/Pac/Canelo and all of their A-Side diva antics.

    But now we have 4 guys on top who have got there despite being the B side, and have fully unified their divisions. So in my opinion it's a better era of boxing.
     
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  13. Mark Anthony

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    Canelo dominated as the A-side since 2005?
     
  14. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Learn to read posts fully before you reply FFS.
     
  15. Mark Anthony

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    :fufu