Usyk in the 70s.

Because Usyk is physically stronger then him why is that hard to comprehend lol If they were the same size i grant you Frazier would be a tough fight for Usyk but they're not.....

 

Because you’re only looking at size and nothing else.

With that logic you could say:

“Usyk beat a SHW and pushed him around, therefore he could easily have beaten anybody smaller”

How about Frazier relentlessly throwing power punches up close?

Not letting him breathe.

Not standing off of him, but bobbing and weaving inside and hitting anything that he could.

The body attack.

The speed that the punches would have been fired at him.

The fact that his small stature along with his speed and style, would have made him elusive to hit clean.

The fact that he hasn’t got huge power to just stop him in his tracks.

There’s lots to consider.

 

1. You are making the assumption that Usyk is stronger, just because he’s bigger.

2. Being physically stronger alone isn’t enough is it.

Swarmers are problematic to boxers.

Fighters are problematic to boxers.

Boxers like time and space. They like to fight mid range, and mostly from a jab.

They don’t like to be rushed and pressured.

Even if they could prove scientifically that they’re stronger, it’s still a problematic style to them.

You’re also ignorantly assuming that Usyk is significantly stronger, to the point where he could have manhandled him like Foreman did.

Yet there’s nothing to suggest such a thing.

And he didn’t physically push AJ around with ease, just due to physical strength. He just out manouvered him because he was bigger and slower, and he had him off balance and tired etc in parts.

He didn’t manhandle him.

You’ve got this obsession that a smaller fighter couldn’t bother him, just on the grounds that he’s beaten 2 SHW’s. But it’s really not as simple as that. Otherwise he’d have thrown all of his CW competition around like they were all nothing.

 

Again my argument is that I don't think Frazier would be able to impose his style on Usyk because of his size and how good Usyk is but I'll concede that if he was able to impose his style he would give Usyk trouble can we agree on that?

 

Look, I think the man is a genius.

I really do genuinely believe that.

But there’s no logical reason why Joe couldn’t have pressured him and forced his way on the inside, with his speed, pressure and power.

I don’t know why you think/doubt that Joe couldn’t have pressured and imposed himself.

Ali was strong you know.

Not Foreman like. Obviously. But he could hold his own. But he couldn’t stop Joe from coming at him.

 

He did stop him in the second fight and he had success when he actually moved something Usyk is very good at plus Usyk isn't as vulnerable to the left hook as Ali is but again we can agree to disagree

 

Again, I’ve never once said that Usyk couldn’t have won.

Only that he’d have been in a hard fight due to the stylistic match up, and especially as it’s not likely that he’d have taken him out.

 

Mike Tyson was 5 Foot 10 inches....The first Body shot from a prime Tyson crumbles Usyk like a cheap suit.!!!!

 

He'd definitely have a mustache and flared trousers.