Usyk at Heavyweight has lost barely over a dozen rounds.

To me you can talk about each individual round he has lost in his whole career and it wouldn't be much of a conversation.

 

If we're talking about rounds that Usyk clearly lost, then yeah, a dozen or so sounds right in terms of his heavyweight tenure. I scored a few more for his opponents than IB in a lot of his fights but many of those rounds were of the toss-up variety.

 

Yeah but the issue is with your post is that in all of Usyk's competitive fights you've gave him the benefit of the doubt in all of them scoring all the fights by the widest possible margin.

Realistically not many people will agree with that.

 

Yeah but my issue is as I said in every single one of those fights you've gave Usyk the benefit of the doubt in all of them by scoring them with the widest possible margin.

As I said realistically the average fans scorecards will not agree with that.

 

Lost about 4 in each fights to AJ.

Lost 4 in the first Fury fight and 3 in the second one.

Lost about 2-3 to Chisora.

None to Witherspoon and maybe one to Dubois if we are being generous to Dubois.

So 4+4+4+3+3+1 = 19 rounds MAX. Could be as little as 15.

 

To be honest, I have not seen all of Usyk's heavyweight fights so I can't give an answer based on my scoring.

I can say this. I scored the second Joshua fight and both Fury fights. I had Usyk winning 9-3 against AJ, 6-6 in the first fight against Fury and 8-4 in this month's rematch. That is 13 rounds I have him losing just in those three fights. The official scores of his fights, per BoxRec , show him losing approximately 23 heavyweight rounds. This does not count the Witherspoon fight where they do not post the scores.

Just from what I've scored and what the official judges scored I have to say that a dozen is too low.

 

I reckon he lost 4 rounds each time to his English opposition apart from Dubois. But it's not a hill I'd die on.

 

The official scores on boxer rec have him losing 26. This is going with the 2/3s interpretation.

 

That's not how boxing works.

For example I'd say I'm the antithesis of how IB scores these Usyk rounds, as I give more credence to being a ring general so someone upsetting Usyks rhythm indicates to me that they're making Usyk fight their fight, thus are winning the rounds.

However, as I've said many times before there's lots of rounds that just are not hills I would die on.

I had Bellew winning before the stoppage, I had Usyk beating Chisora 8-4, AJ 7-5 then 8-4, Fury 6-6 then 8-4.

But that doesn't mean I disagree with IB. Because if me and IB sit down over a pint in a bar and agree in definitive rounds that cannot be scored for Usyk, we would have very few rounds in that pile. And we both agree that Usyk won all of these fights, so we'd be left with some hardcore rounds that cannot go to Usyk, some toss up rounds that could go either way, and probably a small handful of rounds we vociferously disagree on, but I bet that handful is tiny.

So the average fan will agree with IB.

 

I thought Chisora Usyk was much closer than that. Could have been a draw.

Joshua II was closer too. Fury scores also seem too wide.

 

I don't agree the average fan will not have the widest possible margin for every single competitive fight Usyk has had and the average fans scorecards online would reflect that.

I would say a very low percentage would have for example Fury vs Usyk 2 10-2 and I don't see how you could have it that wide and I don't even like Fury.

I like Usyk but as I've said in a few of the threads the hype is a bit too much just like this thread which is overestimating his dominance in fights to make him look better.

 

Imo:
Against chisora He lost 3 rounds
Against aj 1 he lost 4 rounds
Against aj 2 he lost 3 rounds
Against dubois He lost 1 round
Against fury 1 he lost 4 rounds
Against fury 2 he lost 3 rounds
18 rounds