Physically strongest pre-roid boxer?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Melankomas, Dec 29, 2024.


Strongest elite boxer before steroids?

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  1. Jim Jeffries

    7 vote(s)
    26.9%
  2. Primo Carnera

    13 vote(s)
    50.0%
  3. Jess Willard

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Max Baer

    1 vote(s)
    3.8%
  5. Jack Johnson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Other

    5 vote(s)
    19.2%
  1. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t think we can assume that every boxer who came along after the invention/discovery of steroids used them, so it’s kind of a trick question.

    On the other hand, there’s a point in boxing history where weight training became acceptable and even common whereas before the thought was it just built muscle mass that led to a fighter being slower, maybe going up in weight class past his most effective weight, and less flexible. But not everyone who embraced weight training used steroids/PEDs for artificial advantages.

    I’d say George Foreman is probably the strongest boxer who never used PEDs (as far as we know, and I’ve never heard any allegations). Him hoisting a cow over his shoulders as a young man, as seen in photos, is just ridiculous. Same as hauling a freaking truck around pulling it by a rope.
     
  3. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    If we completely avoid skill and technique, imho the strongest is Carnera and the most durable is Willard.
     
  4. BCS8

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    I heard that Foreman pulled the plough that made the Panama canal
     
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  5. mcvey

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  6. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ring strenght and outside of the ring strenght are not the same thing.

    Some boxer were very strong but were unable to use their strenght in the ring like Bonavena or Carnera.

    Bonavena was pushed and backed by smaller and weaker men but I have seen him lifting the back of S class mercedes benz.
     
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  7. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey Just taking a break, folks Full Member

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    P4P, I'd probably say Saensak Muangsurin. He was an awkward and often cumbersome-looking fighter but he was incredibly strong and had a very big punch.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    In a boxing specific sense, as in who could utilise physical strength in a beneficial way with the gloves on, it has to be George Foreman.

    There will be stronger men who boxed, but their strength wasn’t effective by comparison and may have even worked against them. Whereas Foreman was accurate. George could shove and push out a punch with less technique and do a lot more damage with far less effort than anyone else.
     
  9. Philosopher

    Philosopher Active Member Full Member

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    Foreman said Liston was the strongest I think...
     
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  10. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Foreman without a doubt, a fighter who becomes world champion at that age possesses supernatural strength...
     
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  11. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Was it ever discussed how Carnera may have had acromegaly? He had similar features to Andre the Giant who had that condition, and being a 6'6" tall Italian man back then would be like being 7' today.

    Acromegaly creates an excess of growth hormone.
     
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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Paul Anderson complied a professional boxing record of 2-2.
     
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  13. Anomalocaris

    Anomalocaris Member banned Full Member

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    Ring strength?

    Liston and Foreman and it"s not even close.
     
  14. gneall

    gneall Active Member Full Member

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    They overpowered the guys in their era, 1000%. But a 6'2 220 "Big" George, doesn't cut it anymore. He has maybe the hardest punch of all time, but strength isn't power. These 280 guys like Zhang, Bakole, Ngannou likely manhandle them around the ring.
     
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  15. Philosopher

    Philosopher Active Member Full Member

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    Ngannou had proper functional strength from wrestling, surprised the **** out of Fury. Zhang and Bakole walk through punches and hit hard but I've not seen physical manhandling by them, although it wouldn't surprise me if they were proper 'farmer strong', not gym strong. I think Foreman, Liston, and yes, Holyfield were strong guys in any era.
     
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