And here we are predicting AJ to beat Usyk...wrong twice! Please don't try to make the arguments from authority any further:
that quote was just after usyk fought chisora. how much had usyk shown as a hw at that point? did you expect me to say, "no, youre right, he is obviously the next superstar, the way he handled chisora was vintage ali"? i still see the same things in ruiz, what i didnt see then is his total lack of commitment to his career. he gets one big check and checks out. and again nothing in any of that is ridiculous. does andy have faster hands? does he have a tank for a hw, of any size? does he take a punch? does he have more ko's at hw? keep posting all the ones you can find. it illustrates well the thought process and individual knowledge of both of us. not to mention the individual ability to admit when one is incorrect.
wouldnt that already be covered under me saying i was wrong about usyk not having the size? he obviously turned out to have the size, being able to take a hw punch and throw a hw punch. what we are discussing is the skill level. as i said, my concern was not his skill, it was his size. i knew he had the skill, because i also knew the hw division was ****. i was wrong about his size. now tie that in, and see where it fits, in all those posts you want to bring up. use some critical thinking skills.
we both make arguments from authority. its just that you dont know wtf youre talking about, lol. i will illustrate what i mean. describe to me how the particular technique and form of a properly thrown jab and left hook is better by usyk than aj. and i will do the same. this should be good.
or, you can just admit you dont know boxing and just cheer for whatever crush youre feeling at the time. and sometimes you crush on the right guy. after all, odds are youre gonna sometimes make the right choice when your choice is one of 2.
its, the oracle. dont get me wrong, im not pretending i know more about boxing than everyone on this site. theres guys more knowledgeable about technique, or history, or have more accurate predictions, etc... but i know that you arent one of those people. and all those guys also know you arent one of those people. good night.
When people say Usyk hasn't done enough historically you sometimes just have to scratch the surface and see how much he has done at this current time For example Usyk and the current boxrec top 20 HWs I know ratings change and aren't an accurate picture but they do often give an indication of how dominant a fighter can be Considering Usyk hasn't been a HW his whole career and looking at the current boxrec top 20 HWs (Usyk rated #1) and see during this time how he compared with some of the other top HWs and who he had beaten. Yes I know 2 of the wins weren't at HW but was looking at current opponents faced Usyk - Has wins over 6 opponents in the current top 20 4 in the top 10 - Dubois #2 - Joshua #4 - Fury #6 - Hunter #10 - Gassiev #15 - Chisora #17 Dubois has a win over 1 opponent in the current 20 1 in the top 10 - Joshua #4 Fury has wins over 3 opponents in the current 20 - Wallin #12 - Whyte #14 - Chisora #17 Joshua has wins over 4 opponents in the current 20 1 in the top 10 - Parker #7 - Wallin #12 - Whyte #14 - Pulev #18 Parker has wins over 2 opponents in the current 20 1 in the top 10 - Zhang #10 - Chisora #17 The above has changed from when first written on this thread and is a copy and paste Hunter is currently their #1 top rated HW in USA He also beat Joyce in. Semi pro fight who is currently #20
these were the fighters ranked in the top 10 in ali's prime. terrel folley spencer patterson mildenberger frazier bonavena chuvalo persol ramos these are the fighters in the top 10 today. yes, the top 10. zhang bakole fury kabayel huni itauma wardley aj anderson ajagba dubois sanchez hrgovic chisora wallin okolie jalolov pero pulev gassiev
You scale isn't accurate, both Joshua and Parker have wins over Ruiz who was top 5 at the time. Fury has wins over Wilder who was #2. It's not painting an accurate picture. You should also include Fury's win over Cunningham. Usyk only started at heavy in 2019.
And? I guess you are implying the older were better? Problem is that can't be proven either way only surmising One thing I have noticed is that when there is a dominant champion people tend to think it is a weak division because one fighter is so dominant, yet when you have a division where different fighters win and lose against each other and their resumes are made up of round Robin results, people tend to rate it highers Whether that is correct or not, I couldn't say
im saying in alis time, to have a top 10 fighter on your record, you had 10 fighters to pick from, for a top 20, you had 20 guys to pick from. Today, to have a top 10 fighter on your record, you got 20 guys to pick from, for a top 20 on your record, you have at least 40 you can pick from. do you see the implications and the problems with the comparison youre trying to make?
The point I am trying to make is that in 5 years time half of these will not be in the current rankings. Usyk was fast tracked to heavyweight whereas all of the others did the slow grind. You are using data to create a narrative.
