P4P better

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P4P better

  1. Thomas Hearns

    40.5%
  2. Roy Jones Jr

    59.5%
  1. PolishAssasin

    PolishAssasin Member Full Member

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    What do you think?
     
  2. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns and by a significant amount. Hearns was more successful at more weights, fought better fighters, was more technically sound, hit harder, and didn't duck guys like Roy did.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    RJJ's best wins

    James Toney
    Bernard Hopkins a bit green
    John Ruiz
    Mike McCallum past his best
    Thomas Tate
    Virgil Hill
    Antonio Tarver
    Reggie Johnson
    Montel Griffin
    Thulani Malinga
    Vinny Pazienza above his best weightclass
    Jorge Castro
    Eric Harding
    Clinton Woods
    Julio Cesar Gonzalez
    Lou Del Valle

    World titles at Middleweight, Super Middleweight Light Heavyweight, Heavyweight, 21 world title wins overall.

    Thomas Hearns best wins

    Roberto Duran
    Wilfred Benitez
    Virgil Hill
    Pipino Cuevas
    Juan Roldan
    Dennis Andries
    James Shuler
    Nate Miller
    James Kinchen
    James Shuler
    Murray Sutherland
    Bruce Curry
    Harold Weston
    Clyde Gray
    Randy Shields
    Michael Olajide

    World titles at Welterweight, Jr Middleweight, Middleweight, Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, 14 world title wins overall.

    Pros for RJJ

    He has more world title wins 21 to 14 in his favour he was also dominant alot longer than Hearns.

    Pros for Hearns

    Fought better opposition overall won world titles in more weight classes 5 to 4 in his favour and has by far the best single win over Duran.
     
  4. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Duran was small for light middle and only had a 67 inch reach, Hearns was far too big.
     
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    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Both of them were bigger than most of the people they fought, Hearns wouldn`t have beat Ruiz though so I give Roy the edge P4P, head to head may have been a different story though.
     
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  6. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think the distinction between "better" & "greater" comes into play here.

    Hearns was a better fighter IMO, but lacks a singularly defining win like Jones over Toney or a consistent/dominant run like Roy had. I think Hearns' legacy suffers from having the misfortunate to share a division w/ SRL, a better P4P fighter than any1 Roy ever faced & better even than Roy himself IMO.

    But since the question asked for "p4p better," I voted Hearns.
     
  7. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I couldn’t picture Roy losing in his prime due to not knowing how to clinch. Or losing twice to Iran Barkley.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ya'll must have forgot?
     
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    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You kinda have to go with RJJ here because of the MW and HW cameos and beating Hopkins. I don't really see how one could argue Hearns.
     
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    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Iran Barkley says hello.
     
  11. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    That Jones Jr popped dirty against Richard Hall? Or that Hearns fought better opponents?
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Hall was also dirty. Fair fight.
     
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  13. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Duran had just been 15 rnds w/ Hagler up @MW, & went on to fight heavy hitters like Barkley & Castro @ MW or higher w/o ever really being starched like he was by Hearns again (even vs. Joppy when he was a million years old, he was stopped on his feet).

    I think it's just as difficult to picture Hearns struggling w/ a short, punchless slickster like Griffin & ultimately blowing the fight.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I could picture Hearns knocking a guy out who had dropped to a knee.
     
  15. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Would he have been frustrated enough over the preceding 8 rnds to let those punches go?